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- From: calinski@calspan.com (Peter J. Calinski)
- Subject: Re: Condemned by Barron's--Is it significant????
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- References: <calinski.725123521@calspan.com> <1992Dec23.224630.15657@gumby.dsd.trw.com>
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- Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:45:00 GMT
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- In <1992Dec23.224630.15657@gumby.dsd.trw.com> suhre@meltami.dsd.trw.com (Maurice E. Suhre) writes:
-
- >In article <calinski.725123521@calspan.com> calinski@calspan.com (Peter Calinski) writes:
- >>I'm not a regular reader of Barron's but, in the past year, I know of two
- >>stocks, Marvel and Conseco, that were bashed by Barron's. Of course, in
- >>both cases, the stock fell a considerable amount. However, also in both cases,
- >>within a year, both subsequently hit new highs.
-
- >I am a regular reader of Barron's and have been for years. What I
- >frequently see is that a stock will be trashed in "Up and Down Wall
- >Street". Alan Abelson (or his staff) will simply point out facts
- >and/or possibilities. These items suggest that the market is
- >overvaluing the particular stock under discussion. They also make for
- >very entertaining reading (if you don't own the stock :-).
-
- >For example, sometimes a stock is selling for "100 times next years
- >*sales* -- forget about earnings as there aren't any" [This isn't an
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- >are being amortized over a 10 year period and that leaves 12 million in
- >liabilities still sitting on the books. Or .... You get the idea.
- >Assuming that the Barron's research is impeccable (and based on the
- >quickness of the legal profession to jump on the libel bandwagon I would
- >expect that, lest they get their collective asses sued off :-), it's
- >bound to influence some people. Also, as others work out that the stock
- >drops because of a Barron's hit, they will learn to run for cover too.
-
- I guess I am questioning their research. As I recall Conseco reacted very
- strongly. They didn't sue, there would be nothing to gain. The stock
- recovered and soared before they could have gotten to court.
-
- >Now it may turn out that these really are good companies, that their
- >profits and sales will continue to increase, the competition won't rear
- >its ugly head, etc. On these assumptions, it is easy to see that the
- >stock drops to a point where its price more nearly reflects the best
- >estimate of the prospects. If the company continues to prosper, then
- >the stock will rise from there.
-
- In these cases the market seemed to think there was little merit in the
- articles and lifted the stocks to new highs (after an initial dip).
-
- >I don't see how you can be sure that stocks which slide because of
- >Barron's are going to recover and continue advancing.
-
- I can't, what I do know is that in these two cases (Conseco and Marvel) the
- market seemed to feel that Barrons was wrong. What I was looking for in
- my post was if others could recall cases where Barrons trashed a company and
- then what happened later - long term - to the stock.
-
- Maybe we could establish a track record on Barrons.
-