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- From: hcy@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (hon-chi.yu)
- Subject: Re: It's that time of the year: a question on unexpected capital gain
- Organization: AT&T
- Distribution: usa
- Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 23:11:11 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Dec28.231111.21613@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>
- References: <1992Dec28.195612.18526@cbnews.cb.att.com> <1992Dec28.213701.19576@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> <1992Dec28.221434.21579@cbnews.cb.att.com>
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- In article <1992Dec28.221434.21579@cbnews.cb.att.com> ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec28.213701.19576@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> hcy@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (hon-chi.yu) writes:
- >>In article <1992Dec28.195612.18526@cbnews.cb.att.com> ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet) writes:
- >>>In article <1992Dec28.192555.16571@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> hcy@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (hon-chi.yu) writes:
- >>>> I have a tax question regarding estimated tax payment penalty,
- >>>>and I appreciate anybody's answers to verify my understandings:
- >...
- >>>If you know you have an unexpected capital gain early in the year
- >>>you could make an estimated payment at that time.
- >>
- >>My biggest concern is that I might have a big capital gain in the early
- >>part of a year, but an even much bigger capital loss later in the year
- >>so I would end up having vastly overpaid IRS in tax withholding but in
- >>fact I would have a big capital loss! Adjusting the regular salary withholding
- >>might not give you enough time to make up for that overpayment. I do not
- >>suppose IRS will pay back the overpayment until much later after you
- >>fill out the tax return, right?
- >
- >Assuming you are planning to pay approx 4 equal estimated tax
- >payments, if you find a huge loss in the 4th quarter you can
- >greatly reduce or even skip your last payment. That should bring
- >some relief, right?
- >
-
- Some relief, yes, but that could still be very bad, if the initial capital
- gain is big compared to the regular salary. For example, if a person is
- making, say $30K a year, incurred an initial gain of $30K in the first
- quarter. So s/he has to pay very roughly $10K tax for the gain (really
- very roughly) in 4 installments. After 3 installments or about $7500 there
- was a $40K loss in the 4th quarter so s/he stop paying the last installment
- and immediately changed the W-4 form to stop salary withholding--but it's
- late in the year and since the gain is big compared to salary, the action
- does not help much to reverse the bad situation that instead of being able
- to deduct $3K of loss from the salary when tax time comes, s/he has overpaid
- almost $7500 in tax!
-
- If an investor really thinks that a stock that s/he owns (that s/he has a
- gain on)is going to go down later in the year, of course s/he will sell it.
- But if s/he is not certain which direction it will go (up or down), this
- tax rule seems to have a significant influence on the decision.
-