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- From: hcy@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (hon-chi.yu)
- Subject: Re: It's that time of the year: a question on unexpected capital gain
- Organization: AT&T
- Distribution: usa
- Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 21:37:01 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Dec28.213701.19576@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>
- References: <1992Dec28.192555.16571@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> <1992Dec28.195612.18526@cbnews.cb.att.com>
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- In article <1992Dec28.195612.18526@cbnews.cb.att.com> ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec28.192555.16571@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> hcy@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (hon-chi.yu) writes:
- >> I have a tax question regarding estimated tax payment penalty,
- >>and I appreciate anybody's answers to verify my understandings:
- >>
- >>If somebody has a significant capital gain (say, from stocks transaction,
- >>and significant compared to the salary) incurred during a year, and that
- >>person only made an estimated tax payment before January 15 of the following
- >>year (the 4th quarterly payment due date), which, when added to the regular
- >>withholding from salary, should satisfy the >90% of final tax due requirement,
- >>will that person still be liable to under-estimated tax penalty when April 15
- >>comes? What if the capital gain incurred during the first half of the year?
- >
- >I assume you understand the rules about how much witholding+estimated
- >payemnts you need to have.
- >
- >Then you ask if you can make up the payments all in the 4th quarter
- >payment. The answer is it's better to make a big payment then than
- >to make no payment at all.
- >
- >But unless the windfall was in the 4th quarter, you may be subject
- >to a penalty. In any case, you would need to fill out a Form 2210
- >to calculate the penalty, if any. This form also allows you to
- >show your income and tax payments by quarter, so windfalls at the
- >end of the year can be paid for at the end of the year.
- >
- >If you prefer the IRS will be more than happy [ :^( ] to fill
- >this form out for you, even if you don't ask them to. If so, they
- >will assume your income was equally received during the year.
- >
- >>To be fair, I would think that a tax payer needs not pay the tax on the
- >>unexpected capital gain on stock until the end of the year when s/he knows for
- >>sure the final gain/loss, but my reading of the tax document suggest otherwise,
- >
- >If you know you have an unexpected capital gain early in the year
- >you could make an estimated payment at that time.
- >
-
- My biggest concern is that I might have a big capital gain in the early
- part of a year, but an even much bigger capital loss later in the year
- so I would end up having vastly overpaid IRS in tax withholding but in
- fact I would have a big capital loss! Adjusting the regular salary withholding
- might not give you enough time to make up for that overpayment. I do not
- suppose IRS will pay back the overpayment until much later after you
- fill out the tax return, right?
- So, if I interpret this correctly, the IRS really encourages people to sell
- the stocks as later as possible in the year in order not having to pay any
- penalty or overpayment of tax?
-
- >By the way, is it even necessary to point out that "fair" and "taxes"
- >are never used together?
- >
-
- I guess not. :-)
-
- >
- >Follow the rules - pay at least as much as you need to, and don't
- >wait until the end of the year.
-
- This rule seems to be a one-way street--always favoring the IRS.
-
- >--
- >Art Kamlet a_s_kamlet@att.com AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
-
- Thanks for answers.
-
-