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- From: schindler@csa2.lbl.gov
- Newsgroups: misc.invest
- Subject: Re: street name vs delivery
- Date: 27 Dec 1992 18:14 PST
- Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
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- In article <1992Dec26.225559.21164@cbnews.cb.att.com>, ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet) writes...
- >
- >>I want to take over the XYZ Corp. XYZ is public and is controlled by
- >>an entity holding 55% of all shares. I go and buy the remaining 45%
- >>of all shares. I hold it in a street name so that it can be shorted.
- >>I subsequently short one third of my shares against the box and have
- >>my partner buy it. Now I own 45% of XYZ, and my partner owns 15% of XYZ.
- >
- >Your partner (assuming this was legal -- it isn't) owns 15% of XYZ
- >short.
-
- The partner is long 15% of XYZ and has 15% of the voting rights.
-
- >---
- >
- >Look, there's a huge difference between holding stock in street name
- >or holding stock in safekeeping or your own vault; and shorting
- >stock. In terms of voting rights, your broker will forward to you
- >(or the company itself will forward to you) a proxy for stock held
- >long. If you shorted stock, the person you borrowed it from gets to
- >vote it. In fact the person you borrowed it from doesn't even
- >know you borrowed it! This borrowing thing, it's all done with
- >mirrors.
- >--
- >Art Kamlet a_s_kamlet@att.com AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
-
- But this can't be, Art. You are saying that if I short some stock the person
- I borrowed the stock from gets to vote it. It is true that I certainly won't
- get to vote it. But what about the person that buys it from me? They will
- also be long the stock. We thus have two parties that are long the stock:
- the person I borrowed it from and the person I sold it to. Who gets to vote
- the stock? They both can't vote it, because each share only has one vote.
-
- The person I sold the stock to doesn't know he bought his shares
- from a short seller. If he takes delivery of the stock, he holds in his hands
- the actual stock certificate. He is the one that gets to vote these shares.
- What about the person I borrowed the stock from? Doesn't he get to vote his
- shares? He is long the stock and not short it so you would expect that he
- gets to vote his shares. But no! He doesn't get to vote. His shares have
- been borrowed away.
-
- If you want to make sure that your shares don't get borrowed away you can take
- delivery of the certificates. Then you will always get to vote. But there
- is another way...
-
- Throughout this thread no one has yet mentioned one of the important differences
- between a cash and a margin account. Your stock cannot be borrowed away from
- you if it is in street name in a cash account. Thus you will always get to
- vote the stock in your cash account. If you hold the stock in your margin
- account, as you must do to margin the stock, then your shares can be borrowed
- away, along with your voting rights.
-
- Aaron Schindler
-
- P.S. I was the one that started this thread by wondering whether to hold
- my stock in street name or take delivery. I have since decided to take
- delivery because I found out that my wife works in the same building in
- Chicago as the Chicago PBS branch. So, if I sell a stock, she can drop the
- certificates off during her lunch hour. The main reason for not leaving
- the stock in street name was to make sure I get the quarterly reports.
-