home *** CD-ROM | disk | FTP | other *** search
- Xref: sparky misc.education:5608 sci.math:17572
- Path: sparky!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!menudo.uh.edu!jpunix!elgamy!elg
- From: elg@elgamy.jpunix.com (Eric Lee Green)
- Message-ID: <00725872426@elgamy.jpunix.com>
- Date: 1 Jan 93 01:13:46 CDT
- Newsgroups: misc.education,sci.math
- Subject: Re: Math ( and other ) education.
- Distribution: world
- Organization: Eric's Amiga 2000 @ Home
- References: <4932@execu.execu.com>
- Lines: 64
-
- From article <4932@execu.execu.com>, by dont@execu.execu.com (Don Thompson):
- > Now I live in Austin, Texas. We have at least four public or private
- ^^^^^^ ^^^^^
- 'Nuff said
-
- > there are no night classes for the "serious" subjects. You want to
- > learn that stuff? Quit your job, move into the student slums, and
- > repeat all your general ed. THEN you can learn the math.
- [...]
- >
- > I always thought that education was a continuing process. It seems
- > that the educational establishment disagrees. The only thing that
- [...]
- > Any suggestions?
-
- One suggestion, as one Texan to another: Move to a state with a real
- higher educational system.
-
- I am always amazed to look at the Education supplement of the New York
- Times (in the City edition on microfilm) and see all the dozens and dozens
- of colleges advertising. Half of which advertise degrees at night and
- weekends. I cannot imagine any institution in the South which would do
- that, except maybe Nova University down in Florida but they are a very
- special case. It is a matter of supply and demand. Southerners have
- traditionally not been willing to pay for a good education when a "good
- enough" one would do, and Southerners have traditionally not been willing
- to pay for any education beyond the minimum needed to function in society.
- For example, in 1896 the state of Louisiana eliminated all high schools for
- Negros because "an elementary school education is all they need to perform
- their daily labors." (The high schools were reinstated years later, but
- only because black leaders argued that they needed blacks with high school
- diplomas to teach in the black elementary schools... wouldn't want WHITES
- degrading themselves by teaching in the black schools, after all).
-
- In such an environment, it is not surprising that colleges in the South
- cannot find adequate numbers of students to fill high-level night classes.
- For example, one year I took a intro-graduate-level Computer Graphics
- course which, as an experiment, was offered at 4:30 in the afternoon so
- that local employed people going for a master's wouldn't have to miss so
- much work. There were 13 of us who showed up the first day. That course,
- with that instructor (the most highly rated instructor in the department,
- who had millions of dollars in grants and contracts for graphics-related
- research and projects), typically averaged 30 to 40 students. The problem
- was that not enough people wanted to take a course at night. Not even one
- of the most popular courses in the department, with the most popular and
- dynamic instructor in the department.
-
- So, as one Southerner, one Texan, to another: if you want to continue your
- education in a non-traditional manner (i.e. at night/on weekends), you may
- wish to find another state :-(. Texas has a long and sad history when it
- comes to education. It may not be necessary to actually MOVE to that other
- state. I suggest that you consult Bear's Guide and see if you could perhaps
- take correspondence courses (such as the ones from the much-derided Nova
- University). However, you may also wish to consult your employer's policy
- regarding such non-traditional means of continuing an education -- they may
- not pay. And remember that there are no accredited graduate-level programs
- available via "distance learning"... accredidation committees seem to have
- unanimously declared that graduate programs must be in the presence of an
- actual professor.
-
- --
- Eric Lee Green elg@elgamy.jpunix.com Dodson Elementary
- (713) 664-6446 Houston, TX
- "Kids are kids, no matter what"
-