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- From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
- Subject: Re: What A White Person Learned in College About AfAm Culture
- Message-ID: <1992Dec27.212707.13632@oracle.us.oracle.com>
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- References: <1992Dec16.184503.24875@oracle.us.oracle.com> <k1o1VB2w165w@netlink.cts.com>
- Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 21:27:07 GMT
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- In article <k1o1VB2w165w@netlink.cts.com> galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross) writes:
- >mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
-
- >> In article <y2kNVB1w165w@netlink.cts.com> galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross)
- >> >mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
-
- >> >> In article <RZuaVB3w165w@netlink.cts.com> galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gros
- >> >> >mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
-
-
- >Michael:
-
- >Why I disagree with you? Let me count the ways...
-
- >1) "...Catholics, Orientals, Jews, Italians and Irish. All of these
- >groups once faced prejudice in the U.S." Your words, I believe.
- > a) You deny lumping these groups together in terms of their experience,
- > ...and then you go ahead and do it, repeatedly. But if you haven't
- > recognized that by this time, you're not likely to recognize it now,
- > so don't worry about it.
- > b) I know more than a few Asians and Jews who would probably ask you
- > rather pointedly "where you do get this "once FACED prejudice in the
- > U.S., white boy?" As if this were all a thing of the past. Maybe it
- > is where you live, but not around here.
-
- So now we should have AA for Jews and Asians?
-
- >2) In your workplace or your academic environment, do you ever look
- >around you and feel isolated, cut off from the mainstream, and otherwise
- >very much alone? If you do, you *might* be able to understand some of the
- >motivation behind the formation of Black Student Unions. If you don,'t,
- >you don't.
-
- Occasionally. So what? You live with it.
-
- > How well do you know your own family? How far back can you trace
- >it?
-
- To my great grandparents. No further. Somehow I endure.
-
- >Do you know how you came to have the surname that you have?
-
- Nope.
-
- >Do you have
- >an understanding of your history, your heritage?
-
- Yup.
-
- >How far back?
-
- To Jamestown, Virginia in 1650 or so - I don't know about you, but I'm
- an American.
-
- >And do you
- >understand how all or any of that plays a role in the present?
-
- Yup.
-
- >If you
- >know all of that, or were taught all of that early on, either at school
- >or on your mother's knee, then maybe you have no need to pursue this kind
- >of knowledge today. If so, congratulations. I and my breathren do not,
- >for the most part, share your good fortune, which is why we need to learn
- >and research these things for ourselves at this late date.
-
- I don't see why you can't learn American history just like I did.
- After all, if you are an American then that is your history.
-
- If you think I should be worrying about Eastern European history, well
- what I know of that I picked up by reading in late highschool and
- college. Somehow I never really felt a lack.
-
- >3) My situation is not the same as that of an Asian, a Catholic, an
- >Italian, an Irishman, a Jew. Nor are any of theirs the same as anyone
- >else's.
-
- In part, but by the same token your situation is not the same as
- anyone else's. In that case we can't group anyone together. So much
- for any policy thatr recognizes the concept of race.
-
- >When you lump everyone together in one breath and say: "They all
- >faced prjudice but they made it without whining; why can't you?" Whether
- >you realize it or not, you are doing exactly what you've been denying you
- >were doing.
-
- Nope. I denied claiming that the experiences were identical. I will
- happily agree that I claim that the experiences had many similar
- aspects and that we can learn by making comparisons.
-
- >PS: the last official anti-black majority riots were Detroit 1943 and
- >Selma, AL 1962.
- >cheers
-
- Well, here you really have informed me - I thought the last such riot
- was when U Miss was desegregated.
-
-
-
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