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- From: kent@lightnin.Columbia.NCR.COM (Kent Richardson)
- Subject: Re: vinyl floor question
- Message-ID: <1992Dec22.073900.13171@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>
- Originator: kent@lightnin
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- Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
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- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 12:39:00 GMT
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- >In article <4470@cvbnetPrime.COM> bsweeney@argon.prime.com (Brian Sweeney) writes:
- >>Is it possible to put a vinyl floor over an already existing
- >>vinyl floor? In other words, do you have to rip up the old
- >>stuff and put down an underlayment and then the new stuff?
-
- >If the old vinyl is smooth, you can glue the new stuff right on top. You
- >should be able to do this with a "pebble grain" surface also. If the old
- >stuff is textured with grooves to form patterns, it will have to come up.
- >The new flooring will gradually settle into the grooves.
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- >| - The 90/90 Rule -
- >George Patterson - | The first 90% of the work takes 10% of the time.
- > | The last 10% of the work takes the remaining 90%
- > | of the time.
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- I have just finished re-doing a kitchen floor with new vinyl. As George
- mentions above if there is a pattern in the old vinyl it may show after the
- new flooring is put down. I was told by a couple of salespeople that if you
- are using the very expensive flooring you can put it right on top of most any
- old stuff. It is a very thick product (Mannington Gold, etc.), but I would hate
- to put down a very expensive flooring and find out that they were wrong.
- You have a few options you could take.
-
- 1 If your floor is a smooth vinyl I would put the new directly on top of
- the old as George suggests above.
-
- 2 If it has patterns I would suggest putting 1/4" underlayment directly on
- top of the old vinyl. If the old is loose in any places it should be cut
- out. I used a 1/4" board made for underlayment. It was called U-DEK. There
- is another would that is the same called Structure Board. I was informed
- by many people not to use Luan. The other wood was only $2.50 more per
- sheet than Luan. Put "Liquid Nails" under the underlayment to help bond it
- to the old floor. This probably is not necessary but could not hurt. It is
- very cheap anyway. The wood I used had crosses every 4" to show where to
- nail. I would DEFINITELY rent a nail gun to do this job. I did not and for
- 8-9 sheets of would I used about 3000 nails.(OUCH my thumb!!) I used a 5-lb
- box of 4d CC Sinkers (Cement Coated). Some people suggest putting nails
- every 3-4" around the edge and every 6-8" along the interior of the sheet.
- I put mine every 4" as shown on the wood. You then need to fill in any
- cracks that are greater than 1/32". I used a product called floor leveler.
- It dries like cement and puts out a baby powder dust when sanded. It worked
- O.K. for me. I would have liked to have used something that did not make so
- much dust when sanded. I had someone else lay the vinyl because I did not
- want to be responsible for making a wrong cut and ruining hundreds of $ of
- vinyl.
-
- 3 I saw a product in Lowes the other day that is apparently made to put on
- top of old vinyl to level it, so that a new vinyl can be put directly on
- top of the old. It was made by Armstrong. I did not see this before I
- started. I don't think that I would have used it anyway.
-
- 4 Pull the old vinyl up and sand the old underlayment smooth. This would be
- a lot of work and could be dangerous it your old floor is not pretty new.
- I was informed by several people that the vinyl backing and the glues had
- Asbestos in them up to about 4-5 years ago. Our local paper printed an
- article on this recently that stated that Asbestos was used up to as little
- as 2 years ago. The Asbestos particles are not so dangerous when they are
- in the glue. It's the loose particles that you could breathe that are the
- dangerous ones. I figured that the sanding could produce a lot of this if
- I pulled the old floor up and sanded the underlayment.
-
- 5 Pull the old vinyl up and put down underlayment? The old vinyl is only
- 1/16-3/16" thick. Why pull it up?
-
-
- The person that put my vinyl down was very resonabley priced. He also did an
- excellent job. I found that around Columbia, South Carolina the average rate
- ranged from $4.50-7.50 /sq. yard to install the vinyl only. The person I used
- only charged $3.00/sq. yd. He only charges $10/sheet to put the underlayment
- down. I now know how much work that is and would gladly pay that next time.
- If you have any questions please post or email me. Also below is the phone #
- for Congoleum's technical service. They should be able to tell you anything
- that you would want to know. Manningtons phone # also.
-
-
- Congoleum Tech. Service 1-800-SUB-FLOR
-
- Maningtons Customer # 1-800-FLO-ORUS ? I think
-
- Good luck with the floor!!!!!
-
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