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- From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
- Subject: Re: Tell me about electric blankets
- Message-ID: <1992Dec26.092022.3114@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>
- Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
- References: <1992Dec14.105544.10002@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
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- Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 09:20:22 GMT
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- kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) writes:
- : In article <1992Dec14.092120.20097@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
- : >:
- : >: Your DC blanket will, of course, generate a magnetic field -- just not an
- : >: electric one. Whether or not this is better or worse from the health
- : >: standpoint is, as you point out, a good question.
- : >
- : >Bullshit. It will produce a DC electromagnet field. That field will build
- : >and collapse as the blanket thermostat cycles.
- :
- : Um, Bill, for someone who works for a very reputable company on the net
- : here, I'm surprised you'd use such language.
-
- I am me, not the company. So far, they have not chosen to censor me.
- I do not expect them to do so for my using a non-pc term.
-
- : If you're thinking of blankets that just have an on/off cycle, there will
- : only be a significant electric field during the moment that the switch does
- : cycle. There may be small fields due to the change in resistivity of the
- : blanket while it's on, but for the most part _only_ an magnetic field is
- : generated.
- :
- : If you have a blanket that switches on and off every, say, 15 minutes, the
- : e-field exposure is going to be pretty insignificant compared to a 60Hz AC
- : electric blanket. Consider also that even the electric field generated
- : when a switching does occur will have a very small frequency component at
- : 60Hz (since the change in the current will be approximately a square wave
- : of fundamental frequency 1/(15 min*60 s/min)=1/900 Hz).
-
- An electromagnetic field has electric and magnetic components. As such,
- in this case, they cannot be separated.
-
- If the blanket had a simple diode circuit (to produce the dc) - then the
- waveform would not be anywhere close to a square wave. It would be a
- rectified sine wave - with a frequency of either 60 Hz or 120 Hz, depending
- on whether a half-wave or full wave rectifier was used. You still will have
- an electromagnetic field that builds and collapses - just like with an
- unrectified supply. To a test meter, you would not be able to tell the
- difference - nor would your body.
-
- The only way to avoid this would be to build a DC power supply that has
- some capacitors and a voltage regulator to smooth out the DC so there
- is no ripple.
-
- : Finally, the concept of a "DC electromagnetic field" is of dubious value
- : at best. When someone says "EM field" the implication is that the two
- : fields are linked together from one common source, as is the case in AC.
- : That link is, for almost all pruposes, non-existant in this quasi-static
- : case.
-
- Either I misunderstand what you are saying, or you are confused. Any time
- a current moves in a wire, you have an electromagnetic field. It does not
- matter if the current is AC or DC.
-
- : If you like, I can drudge out Maxwell's equations and show this all
- : mathematically, but I don't think there's much point.
-
- What would you try to prove, that a DC current does not generate an
- EM field? I don't think you can do so.
-
- : P.S. -- Which division of HP do you work for? Certainly not one where
- : they do anything with fields and waves?
-
- What does that have to do with my training? One of the people in my
- group got his degree in religious studies. He still is one of the
- brightest engineers in the division.
-
- Bill
-