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DK> One of the most striking differences between
DK> "creation-scientists" and real scientists is the way they go
DK> about presenting their cases.
ED> and...............
DK> Just for the record, one can believe in Creation without being
DK> a "creationist." Most Christians (myself included) believe firmly
DK> that God created the universe and everything in it. I suppose
DK> that technically makes them creationists.
ED> as well as................
DK> However, the word "creationist" has come to mean someone who
DK> believes that the universe was created less than 10,000 years
DK> ago,
ED> I have long considered myself a "creationist" who accepts the
ED> fossil records that have been found over the years. If more are
ED> found, GOOD, and I hope it adds to our knowledge of the Earth and
ED> the Universe. If one attempts to prove the age of this Earth or
ED> this Universe by counting the begats in Scripture, then one is
ED> using Scripture for not what it was intended. The Bible is NOT a
ED> science textbook! It is however, God's additional revelation of
ED> Himself to Mankind. (He firstly reveals Himself through His
ED> creation.) Pun intended<g>
DK> that there was a literal Noachim flood,
ED> This is highly debated from the archaeological evidence that we
ED> know of today. (who knows what evidence tommorrow will bring to
ED> this issue.)
DK> and that Adam and Eve were not descended from other living
DK> creatures.
ED> Again, Scripture does not speak to this allegation. Scriptue does
ED> say that "the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground." What
ED> it does not say is how God changed the "dust" into man. Was it
ED> immediate? Was it instantaneous? Were there intermediate
ED> stages? I contend that Scripture does not teach this! Scripture
ED> DOES teach that God created man, but the process is not described.
ED> It seems to me, that for the Evolutionist to examine the fossil
ED> record and then "jump" to the conclusion that this all started (The
ED> Big Bang) as an accident, almost requires as much faith as faith
ED> in God! I say almost, for the indwelling faith in God, as taught in
ED> Scripture, takes the almighty power of The Holy Spirit.
ED> How then can I ever hope to convince an unbeliever to have faith in
ED> God through scientific evidence? Never! I do not have that power.
ED> But, I do have the power of love (in Greek it's AGAPE) that
ED> permits me to reveal God's love to the unbeliver that leads to
ED> saving faith. "Just let me tell you of my Jesus." That is all I
ED> ask. <BG>
DK> 1.) Bruce resorts to an argument mode called "ad hominem," which
DK> is Latin for "to the man." That is, he attempts to discredit the
DK> theory of evolution by attacking those who believe in it.
ED>BH > You may also consider that the Creation model is not rejected
ED>BH > many because it doesn't fit the observable facts, but rather
ED>BH > because it requires a personal Creator, which is not acceptable
ED>BH > to the Humanism that is the order of the day in our
ED>BH > educational system.
DK> You see, here he manages to insinuate that those who reject a
DK> young Earth do so not because they are honest scientists, but
DK> because they don't want to believe in God. This kind of argument
DK> is insulting, false, and not scientific.
ED> But Scripture teaches that Mankind cannot believe in God through
ED> his own power. Man is blind to God! I agree with Bruce only to
ED> that point. I say that Man is blind and cannot come (believe or
ED> know) to God. Is that insulting, false, and not scientific? If you
ED> say "yea", then I'm sorry but that is not my intent.
ED>My credentials: Just a servant the loves The Lord.....
I just want to say that I agree with you totally and I wish there were more people who thought like you, but unfortunately there aren't (at least not in this conference). I am also just a servant that loves the Lord.....
Rebekah - Taipei, Taiwan
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