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- From: Edward.Dunagin@f540.n226.z1.fidonet.org (Edward Dunagin)
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- Subject: Re: Evolution
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- Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 13:11:00 PDT
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- Hello Dave Knapp. In a message to all concerning Bruce Hogan's message,
- you said in part.........................
-
- DK> One of the most striking differences between
- DK> "creation-scientists" and real scientists is the way they go
- DK> about presenting their cases.
-
- and...............
-
- DK> Just for the record, one can believe in Creation without being
- DK> a "creationist." Most Christians (myself included) believe firmly
- DK> that God created the universe and everything in it. I suppose
- DK> that technically makes them creationists.
-
- as well as................
-
- DK> However, the word "creationist" has come to mean someone who
- DK> believes that the universe was created less than 10,000 years
- DK> ago,
-
- I have long considered myself a "creationist" who accepts the
- fossil records that have been found over the years. If more are
- found, GOOD, and I hope it adds to our knowledge of the Earth and
- the Universe. If one attempts to prove the age of this Earth or
- this Universe by counting the begats in Scripture, then one is
- using Scripture for not what it was intended. The Bible is NOT a
- science textbook! It is however, God's additional revelation of
- Himself to Mankind. (He firstly reveals Himself through His
- creation.) Pun intended<g>
-
- DK> that there was a literal Noachim flood,
-
- This is highly debated from the archaeological evidence that we
- know of today. (who knows what evidence tommorrow will bring to
- this issue.)
-
- DK> and that Adam and Eve were not descended from other living
- DK> creatures.
-
- Again, Scripture does not speak to this allegation. Scriptue does
- say that "the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground." What
- it does not say is how God changed the "dust" into man. Was it
- immediate? Was it instantaneous? Were there intermediate
- stages? I contend that Scripture does not teach this! Scripture
- DOES teach that God created man, but the process is not described.
-
- It seems to me, that for the Evolutionist to examine the fossil
- record and then "jump" to the conclusion that this all started (The
- Big Bang) as an accident, almost requires as much faith as faith
- in God! I say almost, for the indwelling faith in God, as taught in
- Scripture, takes the almighty power of The Holy Spirit.
-
- How then can I ever hope to convince an unbeliever to have faith in
- God through scientific evidence? Never! I do not have that power.
- But, I do have the power of love (in Greek it's AGAPE) that
- permits me to reveal God's love to the unbeliver that leads to
- saving faith. "Just let me tell you of my Jesus." That is all I
- ask. <BG>
-
- DK> 1.) Bruce resorts to an argument mode called "ad hominem," which
- DK> is Latin for "to the man." That is, he attempts to discredit the
- DK> theory of evolution by attacking those who believe in it.
-
- BH > You may also consider that the Creation model is not rejected
- BH > many because it doesn't fit the observable facts, but rather
- BH > because it requires a personal Creator, which is not acceptable
- BH > to the Humanism that is the order of the day in our
- BH > educational system.
-
- DK> You see, here he manages to insinuate that those who reject a
- DK> young Earth do so not because they are honest scientists, but
- DK> because they don't want to believe in God. This kind of argument
- DK> is insulting, false, and not scientific.
-
- But Scripture teaches that Mankind cannot believe in God through
- his own power. Man is blind to God! I agree with Bruce only to
- that point. I say that Man is blind and cannot come (believe or
- know) to God. Is that insulting, false, and not scientific? If you
- say "yea", then I'm sorry but that is not my intent.
-
- My credentials: Just a servant the loves The Lord.....
-
-
- Peace......................................Ed
-
- * SLMR 2.1a #1852 * If you accept the best, you often get it.
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