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- From: johnston@me.udel.edu (Bill Johnston)
- Subject: Re: Fund raising at the FSF
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- References: <1993Jan2.221526.18943@husc3.harvard.edu> <C0Ap5A.A4v@news.udel.edu> <1993Jan3.170815.18962@husc3.harvard.edu>
- Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 02:54:25 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan3.170815.18962@husc3.harvard.edu> zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:
- >In article <C0Ap5A.A4v@news.udel.edu>
- >johnston@me.udel.edu (Bill Johnston) writes:
- >
- >>In article <1993Jan2.221526.18943@husc3.harvard.edu>
- >>zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:
-
- >BJ:
- >>It has been repeatedly pointed out that GNU software is available free
- >>of charge to anyone with enough ability and time to learn how to use
- >>the various ftp-by-email services. This surely includes Mikhail Zeleny.
- >
- >Can you imagine a student account without ready access to a non-glass
- >output device, and a one meg disk quota? Good boy!
-
- Then list the source code screen by screen and transcribe it by pencil.
-
- It is still free for your use under the terms of the GPL - the terms
- set by the owner and copyright holder, which is not Mikhail Zeleny
- unless I've missed the name of a major contributor.
-
- >BJ:
- >>Do you require that FSF itself set up a free BBS or provide a
- >>self-service disk duplicator in their office? Do you require
- >>that GNU software by delivered free of charge by an FSF
- >>representative to your home? Do you require a free personal
- >>tutorial, and perhaps the right to bore and/or insult the tutor
- >>during the lesson?
- >
- >I don't require jack shit, my excitable boy, with the sole exception
- >that men live up to their billing.
-
- Indeed? It's probably easier to live up to one's billing when
- one has no billing. Finding a better way to copyright and distribute
- software and source code is a subject that many have talked about;
- the FSF (including "men" like Stallman for those who insist on
- personalizing) have actually taken a public position and done
- their best to put their ideas into practice. Few political action
- groups have so successfully worked both the theoretical and practical
- sides of a difficult problem.
-
- If you have a better idea, please share it; we're interested.
-
- Otherwise, your carping on semantics and potshots at certain
- personalities within FSF get old quick. They been done more
- convincingly in the past by people who evinced a genuine concern
- for improving our society's approach to intellectual property,
- rather than a prediliction for one-sided accounts of alleged
- hypocrisy in seven-years-past conversations with FSF principals.
-
- The case of glass screen and pencil differs from personal delivery
- by an FSF representative only in the amount of work that you need
- to do to take advantage of it. It is still free, and if you want
- find a easier way to get GNU software all you have to do is read the
- file named "GETTING.GNU.SOFTWARE" that is available on most if not all
- ftp sites and mirrors. I'll mail the whole text to you later, but here
- is a snippet:
-
- * How To Get The Software
-
- The easiest way to get a copy of the distribution is from someone else
- who has it. You need not ask for permission to do so, or tell any one
- else; just copy it. The second easiest is to ftp it over the
- Internet. The third easiest way is to uucp it. Ftp and uucp
- information is in file /pub/gnu/etc/FTP.
-
- If you cannot get a copy any of these ways, or if you would feel more
- confident getting copies straight from us, or if you would like to get
- some funds to us to help in our efforts, you can order one from the
- Free Software Foundation. See file /pub/gnu/etc/DISTRIB.
-
- Now, like the FSF, I am willing to distribute GNU software for a fee.
- Like FSF, I charge different people different amounts for this service,
- and I have no moral qualms or semantic nightmares over describing this
- as a "distribution fee". Difficult people in particular usually get
- quoted a higher price, but I have been been known to make exceptions.
-
- For you, Mikhail Zeleny, my "fee" is zero in for as long as I can
- keep my machine up and running. I keep a reasonably collection
- of GNU source on tape; I have decent e-mail and ftp connectivity,
- and a floppy drive that can read and write most floppy formats.
- I also have a fast modem if you would prefer to uucp from me rather
- than FSF. Just send me mail, and I will arrange to make a copy of
- any current GNU source package available in a form that you can copy
- onto your own media free of charge.
-
- As the file "GETTING.GNU.SOFTWARE" points out, the easiest way to
- get GNU software is to copy it from someone else who has it. Now
- you know someone else who has it, Mr. Zeleny. For you, it is free.
- --
- -- Bill Johnston (johnston@me.udel.edu)
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