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- Subject: Re: Fund raising at the FSF
- Message-ID: <C0B32v.2Br@comp.vuw.ac.nz>
- From: Michael.Norrish@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Michael Norrish)
- Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 01:35:18 GMT
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- In-Reply-To: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu's message of 3 Jan 93 04:18:44 GMT
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- >>>>> On 3 Jan 93 04:18:44 GMT, zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael
- >>>>> Zeleny) (MZ henceforth) said:
-
- MZ> In article <9301021752.AA25483@life.ai.mit.edu> tower@ai.mit.edu
- MZ> (Leonard H. Tower Jr.) writes:
-
- MZ> LT:
- >FSF's employees are not slaves though. They are all working for FSF
- >of their own free will.
-
- MZ> Sure they do. And some slaves sold themselves into slavery of
- MZ> their own free will. Like I say, I have no idea whether the above
- MZ> figure includes overhead, as it ought to; but regardless of that,
- MZ> the implied maximum figure is way below par for professional work,
- MZ> particularly when Stallman's original penny-pinching rationale of
- MZ> "they have to show that they are doing it for the idea" no longer
- MZ> applies as FSF is looking more and more like a conventional
- MZ> software company.
-
- For someone who has accused many other posters of petty rhetorical
- tricks, the paragraph above is pretty rich.
-
- For a start, once sold into slavery, (whether that decision was one's
- own or not), a person no longer has the freedom that is guaranteed to
- all adults by law. The difference here is that the people working at
- the FDF continue to do so by their own free choice as well. They are
- not bound as a slave would be.
-
- The FSF is like a conventional software company? "More and more like"
- even? Well, let's see now, they do charge people money for a service
- they provide, (even if they misleadingly call it a distribution fee; I
- agree with Michael that it is a poor term), but there are not many
- software companies out there that have the source for their products
- available at no cost at ftp sites around the world. (Excluding the
- costs, if you want to be pedantic, inherent in the medium of
- transmission). What's more anybody is _free_ (there is that evil word
- again), to *use* the provided products without any restrictions on
- their use. Pick some 'conventional software companies', do they do
- this? Does Microsoft have the source for Windows available for ftp at
- their sites? Is Microsoft perhaps not a conventional software company?
-
- If I may be allowed a rhetorical flourish of my own:
- pull the other one!
-
- If the FSF feels that it is appropriate to establish legal restrictions
- on the potential future redistribution of the software to ensure that
- people remain free to use it, that is their privilege as owners of the
- software.
-
- Perhaps this overly caustic debate would subside if the term
- distribution fee was replaced by price?
-
- Michael.
-
- mnorrish@comp.vuw.ac.nz
- "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet."
-