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- From: purtilo@cs.umd.edu (Jim Purtilo)
- Newsgroups: dc.general
- Subject: Re: ALERT! Anti-gun meeting in NoVA
- Message-ID: <63066@mimsy.umd.edu>
- Date: 26 Dec 92 22:28:51 GMT
- References: <1992Dec24.164944.26190@clsi.COM> <63053@mimsy.umd.edu> <1992Dec26.200810.6222@clsi.COM>
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- In article <1992Dec26.200810.6222@clsi.COM> kevin@clsi.com writes:
- >In article <63053@mimsy.umd.edu>, purtilo@cs.umd.edu (Jim Purtilo) writes:
- >> Let's try to illustrate what Kev does not see. Someone "Joe" does a crime an
- >> gets caught. Tragic, but crime simply cannot be eradicated. At issue is
- >> how we respond to this as a society. I would like to beef up law enforcement
- >> to help catch Joe; straighten out and support the judicial system so Joe can
- >> get a rapid trial; and, should Joe be found guilty of the crime, ensure that
- >> Joe is rapidly sentenced and pays a substantial penalty. If the crime was on
- >> of violence, then I believe "substantial" means really doing time, not walkin
- >> away with probation and an admonition that Joe not do this again. A swift an
- >> certain jail sentence precludes --- prevents --- Joe from making a living fro
- >> crime even after having been caught.
- >
- >So Joe gets to commit as much armed robbery (or whatever) as he can until
- >he is caught ?
- >
- >You didn't answer the question.
-
- Look, Kev. We've iterated on this three times now, and each time you bleat
- that the only path to crime prevention is gun control. Once again, with gusto:
- if you lock up career criminals when they do crime --- whether or not armed ---
- then you are preventing all sorts of crimes (not just ones of violence) that
- would have been committed by this professional had he or she been allowed to
- walk. Why don't YOU explain how taking this criminal off the streets is NOT
- crime prevention? [And to answer your most immediate question above: isn't
- it painfully clear that no matter what system we have that bad guys are free
- until caught? That does not seem to be a terribly deep observation.]
-
- I'm starting to get the sense that you aren't terribly serious in this
- discussion. Is it your intent to distrupt discussion on dc.general, instead
- of allowing participants to exchange facts, experiences and ideas -- and maybe
- coming up with a constuctive idea or two? Enough thoughtful people have tuned
- out as it is. I still think we should take this elsewhere, perhaps to the
- list Doug offered us? (I signed up to take discussion there ... how about
- you, Kev? Or would continuing this discussion there fail to meet your agenda
- for dc.general?)
-
- My point is simply that we should on crime control. Blather about gun control
- only serves to distract from the problems we should all face squarely together.
- If it is truly your intent to prevent crime, then finding brand new ways to go
- after people who are already obeying the law -- and requiring yet more resources
- to police new laws that combat a statistically minor part of the overall crime
- problem -- does not serve us.
-
- Jim
-
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