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- Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
- Subject: Re: Windows NT Report
- Path: sparky!uunet!think.com!unixland!rmkhome!rmk
- From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
- Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
- Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:28:49 GMT
- Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
- Message-ID: <9212231628.58@rmkhome.UUCP>
- References: <1992Dec21.195317.10599@vpbuild.vp.com> <9212221409.36@rmkhome.UUCP> <1992Dec23.160416.2512@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>
- Lines: 97
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- In article <1992Dec23.160416.2512@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> williams@nssdcs.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Williams) writes:
- >In article <9212221409.36@rmkhome.UUCP> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
- >>NT will only support the "top 100" DOS applications. Porting UNIX
- >>software will be difficult as there aren't any UNIX compatible libraries.
- >
- >This is incorrect and misleading. I don't have the exact quote handy,
- >and Lord knows that public statements by Microsoft are notoriously
- >inaccurate, but as I recall, Microsoft has promised that *at least*
- >the top 100 Windows and top 100 DOS applications will be supported.
- >My take on this is that Microsoft will only go out of its way (i.e.,
- >put in special hacks) to support these apps. Many, many other
- >DOS/Windows apps will run unchanged under NT. I haven't checked out
- >too many things on my NT Beta yet, but so far everything has worked.
-
- Then Microsoft has just changed their mind again.
-
- A friend of mine has seen all kinds of DOS and Windows apps fail on the
- NT beta.
-
- >>> [ I lost the attribution for the >> quotes, sorry. - Jim ]
- >
- >>>3) Ease of programability. Windows is much easier to problem in than
- >>>X. Even though it doesn't have all the advantages of X, we can live
- >>>without them for the benefits we gain. Not only that, but there are X
- >>>servers coming out for NT for those needing X. But we finally have a
- >>>choice.
- >>
- >>Windows sucks. Microsoft will not support X-11 on NT.
- >
- >How do you mean this? Will they actively try to stop 3rd parties from
- >porting X to NT? I don't think so...
-
- Tr to find a commercial UNIX that doesn't have supported X-11.
-
- >>NT will have incomplete TCP/IP support, no telnet, no rlogin, and no ftp.
- >
- >Are you referring to clients or servers? NT already has a telnet and
- >an ftp client. NT will be very popular as a PC Lan server and I
- >expect market pressure (Government Sales alone!) will force Microsoft
- >to support telnet/ftp servers as well, if only via third parites.
-
- That wasn't apparent from a report on NT that was posted in the comp.unix.*
- groups, nor in comments from Microsoft employees posting to the OS/2
- advocacy group.
-
- >>NT does not have serial port logins.
- >
- >Part of the NT philosophy, and yes it's stupid.
-
- This alone makes it useless to compare it to UNIX.
-
- >>NT mainly supports acting as a server for Windows 3.x boxes.
- >
- >So?
-
- Since this is comp.unix.misc, I would suspect there aren't many people
- here who are interested in Windows 3.x apps.
-
- >>The Windows 3.x support on NT is such that a hacker could easily write a
- >>Windows app that would walk right through NT's security.
- >
- >Really? If true, that's a serious flaw. How is this done? I'm not
- >(yet) a Windows programmer.
-
- Microsoft employees posting in the advocacy group refuse to comment about
- this.
-
- >>NT is not UNIX. The NT beta doesn't even have a decent cli. NT needs
- >>16 megs of memory. SVR3.2 can do real work with 4 megs of memory.
- >
- >I'm running NT on 8 meg, but I'll agree it could use more.
-
- Acording to a friend of mine, NT is slower than Windows 3.x on a 16 meg
- machine.
-
- >>NT cannot take the place of a UNIX server in a network, not even a DOS
- >>network.
- >>
- >>Microsoft will say anything to get people to buy NT, because they are
- >>scared of OS/2.
-
- >Now they can also be scared of Novell, which just bought USL! With
- >Novell in charge of Real Unix (tm), I think the probablility that I'll
- >some day find Unix applications at Egghead just jumped several orders
- >of magnitude. Alas, I personally won't buy the Novell/USL product, no
- >matter how much I love Unix, unless Novell drops the horrid USL vs
- >BSDI lawsuit.
-
- Plus Microsoft will probably lose their license to use Novell code in
- their products.
-
- It would be great if Novell dropped the BSDI suit, but it would probably
- take a while to happen.
-
- --
-
- Rick Kelly rmk@rmkhome.UUCP merk!rmkhome!rmk rmk@frog.UUCP
-