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- Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
- Subject: Re: Windows NT Report
- Path: sparky!uunet!paladin.american.edu!darwin.sura.net!spool.mu.edu!agate!linus!alliant!merk!rmkhome!rmk
- From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
- Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:09:35 GMT
- Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
- Message-ID: <9212221409.36@rmkhome.UUCP>
- References: <18030@autodesk.COM> <64@nearside.UUCP> <1992Dec21.195317.10599@vpbuild.vp.com>
- Lines: 88
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- In article <1992Dec21.195317.10599@vpbuild.vp.com> jessea@u013.me.vp.com (Jesse W. Asher) writes:
- >In article <64@nearside.UUCP>, shwake@nearside.UUCP (Raymond Shwake) wrote the following:
- >>
- >> Based on their comments, and comparing anticipated functionality
- >>and pricing, I must report with some anxiety that Unix on the Desktop could
- >>be in trouble. Two of those colleagues are long-time UNIX practitioners in
- >>both the development and the integration/support areas. They're now proposing
- >
- >I'm also a Unix bigot who is advocating (with others) moving to Windows
- >NT. I have no problem doing this for several reasons:
- >
- >1) Price. Unix appllications and the OS itself have long been over
- >priced. Both NT and applications will be very cheap compared to those
- >for Unix. Just the other day I heard about a PPP implementation that
- >was being sold for Unix for $795. What a joke.
-
- NT will be "less than $500". You can buy SVR4 for that price.
-
- >2) Range of applications. We will finally be able to run all those
- >nice dos applications out on the market that have not run worth a hoot
- >under unix. Not only dos, but also windows apps. And porting to NT is
- >not difficult so a wealth of public domain software will still be
- >available.
-
- NT will only support the "top 100" DOS applications. Porting UNIX
- software will be difficult as there aren't any UNIX compatible libraries.
-
- >3) Ease of programability. Windows is much easier to problem in than
- >X. Even though it doesn't have all the advantages of X, we can live
- >without them for the benefits we gain. Not only that, but there are X
- >servers coming out for NT for those needing X. But we finally have a
- >choice.
-
- Windows sucks. Microsoft will not support X-11 on NT.
-
- >4) Ease of usability. Nt should be a lot more easier to use for the
- >user that actually has to get some work done. Sharing disks and
- >printers is no longer something the user has to speed inordinate amounts
- >of time learning. Users shouldn't have to spend time learning how to
- >run the OS just to get it to do something. They should be spending
- >their time getting their work done.
-
- This is an absolute crock.
-
- >5) Ease of administration. This relates to #4 in that with NT the user
- >can do many things that the sysadmin had to previously. Disk sharing,
- >printer sharing, and so on are extremely easy. You will not believe how
- >easy until you see it.
-
- NT will still need an admin, unless system reliability is not an issue.
-
- >6) Enhancements in OS. The OS handles some things better than Unix.
- >Better scheduling and able to handle 256kb off a serial port (that right
- >- 256kb). They improved what needed to be improved in Unix long ago.
-
- What does "256kb off a serial port" mean?
-
- >Basically, you will have all the power of unix without a lot of the
- >hassle. This is how unix should have been long ago. Now I too am
- >predicting the death of Unix for workstations (PC based). Windows NT is
- >just too much better than Unix for workstations. This is _not_ a
- >prediction of the death of Unix. Only people that don't know anything
- >about Unix predict such nonsense. Unix is still a great multi-user
- >system with many advantages in other areas. But it is in big trouble
- >for workstations.
- >
- >Besides, NT IS Unix with Windows on top of it. It is just put out by MS
- >and doesn't have an AT+T copyright.
-
- NT will have incomplete TCP/IP support, no telnet, no rlogin, and no ftp.
- NT does not have serial port logins.
- NT mainly supports acting as a server for Windows 3.x boxes.
-
- The Windows 3.x support on NT is such that a hacker could easily write a
- Windows app that would walk right through NT's security.
-
- NT is not UNIX. The NT beta doesn't even have a decent cli. NT needs
- 16 megs of memory. SVR3.2 can do real work with 4 megs of memory.
-
- NT cannot take the place of a UNIX server in a network, not even a DOS
- network.
-
- Microsoft will say anything to get people to buy NT, because they are
- scared of OS/2.
-
- --
-
- Rick Kelly rmk@rmkhome.UUCP merk!rmkhome!rmk rmk@frog.UUCP
-