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- From: hedrick@geneva.rutgers.edu (Charles Hedrick)
- Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
- Subject: Re: Anyone used SparcClassic and/or the Solaris 2.1 included with it?
- Message-ID: <Jan.3.14.33.23.1993.27625@geneva.rutgers.edu>
- Date: 3 Jan 93 19:33:23 GMT
- References: <C0AAB6.6w2@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
- Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
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- btaplin@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (bradley richard taplin) writes:
-
- > Hello. I recently read the "real low-end" article in a late-fall
- > issue of SunExpert and am curious about the new SparcClassic. Is
- > 16 mb RAM, a 207 mb hard drive, and Solaris 2.1 a good standalone
- > package? Would it be possible to develop using GNU C or Sun's C?
- > C++ as well? Scheme? Could this become a "home server" providing
- > terminal access from a Macintosh and/or DOS box in other rooms?
-
- I haven't seen a Sparcclassic yet, though I am using Solaris 2.1. The
- minimum classic configuration should work, but 207 MB is going to be a
- bit tight. I'm also dubious about the VGA monitor they supply with
- the cheapest configuration. I recommend the 425MB disk and the
- "mid-level color monitor" as a minimum configuration. I assume you
- have in mind setting up a home Ethernet, with TCP/IP. Then you'd use
- something like NCSA telnet (which is available for both Mac and DOS).
- For support of the Mac, it should also be possible to use CAP (an
- implementation of Appletalk for Unix) on your Unix machine. It works
- fine on older Suns, but I don't think it's ported to Solaris yet. A
- Solaris port should be fairly straightforward, and no doubt some
- university will do it (out of necessity). I haven't heard of it being
- ported to 386BSD or Linux either. (A port to 386BSD would be
- straightforward, though there's not the same guarantee that it is
- going to be done. Linux has a completely new network implementation,
- so getting the Berkeley packet filter to work would be more
- difficult.)
-
- > Finally, has anyone used Coherent 4.x? I intend to learn UNIX
- > but finances are very tight right now, so I figure a 386 with
- > Coherent (total system+OS under $1000) might be a good start.
- > I mean to become a competent UNIX sysadmin, in practice and I
- > hope by profession, so might a 386 be inadequate for my needs?
-
- I've never used Coherent, but from talking with people who have looked
- at it, I think you might prefer Linux or 386BSD. The package of
- software that comes with the standard distribution of Linux includes
- things like X, Interviews, ghostscript, c, c++, Common Lisp, etc.
- This is pretty much the full set of software that people using Suns or
- other Unix systems expect to find. I assume the same is true for
- 386BSD. I believe Coherent is somewhat more limited. If you want a
- commercial alternative, I'd probably look at BSDI instead.
-
- If you're looking at a 486 as an alternative to a Sparcclassic, you'll
- want to look carefully at the display subsystem. X running on the
- typical ET4000-based VGA boards is slow compared to a Sun or other
- workstation. I find scrolling annoyingly slow. However if you can
- find a controller based on the S3 controller (preferably the new
- 32-bit version), that will get you into the workstation range. You'll
- need an X server that supports the S3. There are combinations of S3
- boards and software that work under Linux (and presumably 386BSD), but
- I don't know any details.
-
- Obviously it depends upon what you want, but for a hacker's home
- machine I prefer a system for which I have source. I do most of my
- work on Suns at Rutgers, but I never seriously considered a Sun for
- home. However if I wanted to run big Lisp or Fortran jobs as fast as
- possible (our typical jobs at Rutgers), I think I'd still use a Sun or
- HP workstation. (If you're considering a Sparcclassic, you might also
- look at the low-end HP's -- assuming you can get an HP salesperson to
- talk to you.)
-