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- From: francis@ircam.fr (Joseph Francis)
- Newsgroups: comp.text.desktop,rec.photo
- Subject: Re: Photo Scanning
- Message-ID: <1992Dec22.140602.11165@ircam.fr>
- Date: 22 Dec 92 14:06:02 GMT
- References: <1992Dec17.161309.10151@ircam.fr> <1992Dec22.004028.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>
- Organization: IRCAM, Paris (France)
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- In article <1992Dec22.004028.1@cc.curtin.edu.au> zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:
- >In article <1992Dec17.161309.10151@ircam.fr>, francis@ircam.fr (Joseph Francis) writes:
- >> I have some questions for desktop gurus. I have been working with
- >> photographs for some time, and it is still a complete mystery to my
- >> how to balance the image digitally so the halftone output is of a
- >> high quality for offset printing.
- >>
- >...
- >> My third try now is that I rebalanced the image for a maximum black
- >> saturation of 85% and minimum of 10%. This doesn't look too bad on
- >> screen, though it just seems low contrast (obviously). The image still
- >> seems dark to me, but that relates to yet another problem. I'll be
- >> getting the linotron transparencies this evening (2540 dpi, ~150lpi
- >> screen).
- >>
- >You will have to 'calibrate' your printer. The final print needs just a trace of
- >ink in the highlights, and not quite 100% in the shadows. To get this you USUALY
- >need a fine dot in the halftone hilights, and a small white 'dot' in the darkest
- >areas. Include a gray scale and go off that. Examine the PIXELS in the data
- >with a 'magnifier', or use a real loupe on the film. Then adjust for the effects
- >you printer introduces. He will probably be able to tell you about the corrections
- >you need for his press. Note that if you change ink, paper, press, plate type,
- >Phase of moon etc you get to do it ALL again...
-
- I think in the next print run, all of this will have to be done. I
- suddenly understood why sometimes on badly cut paper there is the
- little scale on one side with graduated tint squares. I wish there was
- a good book in English on the subject, but I can't find one in Paris.
- I found one from Adobe on 'Adobe-Accurate' screens, but that didn't
- tell me anything about duotone. I'll see what I can find in London
- next week. I've had to really work from conceptually what is going on
- in all the processes.
-
- >Why are you outputing 300dpi files BTW? Why not full 2400?
-
- 1-bit 2540 dpi / 158.75 lines per inch = 16 dots per line, = 256 dots
- (grey levels) per square pixel at 158.75 pixels per line. This is
- actually less information than I send at 300dpi - sending 2400dpi
- 8-bit images is useless. I could scan at 8-bit 158.75 dpi and do just
- the same (and I'm beginning to wonder now as I see the numbers why I'm
- wasting so much information...).
-
- That's precisly why I'm trying to figure out how to do duotone nicely.
- I can lay down a layer of 40% or 50% grey ink, at my 158.75 lpi,
- 256-level dots, and then lay down a layer of 100% black at 158.75 lpi,
- 256-level dots - I should be able to start approaching 300dpi with 256
- grey-levels per dot. This is what is done for fine-art B&W printing,
- though it all seems to be done with wet-chemistry photo methods now
- instead of digitally.
-
- What I'd love to have is a set of realistic factors for grey/black
- duotone. To get a 50% black: do I mix 75% of 40% grey with 20% black,
- do I mix do I mix 100% grey with 10% black, 50% of 50% grey with 25%
- black, what about halftone angles, and black-on-grey overlay...? I'm
- working out a bit of the geometry and % figures now.
-
- Why 300dpi? Everything I've read says that the eye, in normal
- conditions 29.7 cm from a 21x21cm square (the correct distance for
- looking at photographs, w.r.t. the image size for least optical
- distortion), can't resolve more than 300dpi @ 256 grey levels per
- pixel of the image. I think it has to do with the angle subtended by
- the image on the retina, and the density of receptors. Color is
- similar in treatment, 300dpi per color layer, but this model doesn't
- account for discrepancies in color sensitivity (green, vs. red).
-
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