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- From: lupe@ukw.uucp (Lupe Christoph)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
- Subject: Re: Is Sun losing touch with its customers?
- Message-ID: <1992Dec27.200016.6479@ukw.uucp>
- Date: 27 Dec 92 20:00:16 GMT
- References: <BzI0Ls.GGo@shakti.ncst.ernet.in> <1992Dec22.080719.16062@eskimo.com> <1992Dec27.031931.10598@eskimo.com>
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- nanook@eskimo.com (Robert Dinse) writes:
-
- > Nah, don't see any big advantages to System-V4r for the customer for
- >either the short or long haul. I do see some big advantages to AT&T.
-
- Depends on what the customer is doing. If they are really into (trying
- to) standardizing their environment, they will appreciate a common base.
- Also, SunOS 5.x brings in quite a few new features. Of course you can
- argue that it would have been possible to get these new features into
- the BSD base.
-
- > I suspect it went something like this... Sun is becoming a major vendor
- >but they're a little short on cash.. The BSD4.4 project is nearing
- >completion and almost all Sys-5 source has been removed. Sun's kernal is
- >based on BSD.. If the Sun were to move to a BSD 4.4 based kernal, all of
- >AT&T's royalties would be out the window..
-
- > So they get together, they say to Sun, (mind you this IS speculation
- >and nothing more), they say, "Gosh, we can help you with your short-term
- >cash difficulties, if you'll just agree to make the next major release of
- >Sun/OS system-V4r based so that we can continue collecting outrageous
- >royalties from your customer base.
-
- > And so Sun, with their cash difficulties at the time, agreed, and
- >Sun, AT&T, both benefited, Sun had it's cash problem fixed, AT&T was
- >assured of continued royalties from Sun's customer base, and only Sun's
- >customers got the shaft.. Such a deal!
-
- You have probably not been around at the time the decision was made,
- or you wouldn't refer to BSD 4.4. At the time 4.3 or 4.3 Tahoe
- was most current, I believe. 4.4 was just a decimal number then.
-
- I believe SUn was trying to get "back into the mainstream". They had
- an agreement with AT&T that gave them a very good position to define
- what SVR4 was going to be. And it seems they got many things in that
- made generic SVR4 much better than SVR3.
-
- This led to the Hamilton group, now known as OSF. A funny thing happended
- on the way to OSF/1, though: the interfaces got more and more common,
- settling on SVR4, give or take a few.
-
- At that time no major vendor would proudly tell the world that they
- would stick to BSD; either they said OSF/1 (most), or they would
- join the AT&T/USL camp. All press rags were talking that it was a GoodThing
- to standardize on two Unixes; but one would still be better.
-
- Customers were demanding from their vendors to get their interfaces
- sorted out, and join SVR4, or OSF, depending on the conviction of the
- customer.
-
- When Sun announced they would "join the crowd" this was generally
- hailed as a good decision. But this was when nobody had the next
- release around the corner, and nobody was forced to face the consequences.
-
- Where were you BSD advocates at the time this decision was made? Nobody
- spoke up for BSD at the time!
-
- > The only question that remains, will the customers tolerate it?
-
- They will have to accept the consequence of their foolishness ;-)
-
- > The position I've taken, is to condition any purchases of Sun
- >equipment upon it being able to run 4.1.x. I write this right into the
- >purchase order. So far, 4.1.x has worked on all of the boxes we've
- >purchased (mostly 4.1.3), though I'm told it won't run on mutli-processor
- >SS10's.
-
- > I would encourage everyone who has a problem with being forced into a
- >new, incompatible operating system, do the same.
-
- #ifdef FLAME
-
- I'm sick and tired of you types. You are the type of hypocrite who protests
- against movies alledgedly immoral without seeing them first himself.
- If it were for you, we would still be eating uncooked meat because
- it's always been so, and fire is just too dangerous to use.
-
- #endif FLAME
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