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- From: thomsen@spf.trw.com (Mark Thomsen)
- Subject: Re: experienced NeXTSTEP programmer shortage
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- Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA
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- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 23:13:27 GMT
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- Gregory H. Anderson writes
- > My point is that you only need one or two people who really, really know
- > NeXTSTEP to build a programming shop, corporate-internal or third-party.
- > Everyone else just has to be reasonably smart and open-minded. As I've
- > stated innumerable times, the difficulties learning NeXTSTEP relate to
- > information volume, not concepts. The AppKit, DBKit, IndexingKit, etc.,
- > are just plain BIG, not hard. If you have even one or two person around
- > who know how to navigate them, you can keep a whole shop moving forward.
- > We do it. So can you.
-
- I agree with this almost exactly. We sent three of us to NS camp (4/89).
- The has been it --- the rest have learned from apprenticeship and indulging
- themselves in the learning experience (reading the manuals, trying stuff out).
-
- I except the concepts of doing the OO architecting well with little
- experience, and easily. This is an area where most of us are not doing
- very well in the process of learning OO in the large for the first time.
-
- If you have some helpful hints on creating large class hierarchies well -
- the parts work together when inherited in part to do new jobs, efficiency
- is semi-optimal, the hierarchy is regular and logical to others, the
- pieces are general enough to convince new developers to reuse them, and
- so forth - I would love to hear them. I wish I had more paths to learning
- to point/lead new developers down.
-
- > *soap box on*
- > Why won't anyone invest in training their employees anymore? Why must
- > everyone come pre-programmed for the specific job available? I'd rather
- > teach programming to smart liberal arts majors who know how to think, than
- > teach thinking to a bunch of computer linguists who only know how to code.
- > *soap box off*
-
- There are a few examples of this, but the standard seems to pay for pre-
- trained people. Somehow this seems better. We trained ours, but to staff
- quickly hiring trained people is still the only option for most organizations.
-
- Lots of the hiring going on now is quick response stuff - immediate opps.
-
- Mark R. Thomsen
-