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Info-Mac Digest             Mon, 28 Dec 92       Volume 10 : Issue 307

Today's Topics:

      [*] Why.hqx
      [Q] HP4M problems with TrueType fonts?
      BBEdit Problem
      Can't Save To Floppy Without Emptying Trash (C)
      faxmodems
      File Errors (R)
      Font names listed in own font (A)
      Glitch at RICEVM1 [no Jan Vaporware for the moment]
      Great Deal on GreatWorks
      Importing Text into Word 5
      Info-Mac Digest V10 #305
      Is System 7.1 SANE different from previous SANE versions?
      MacLayers, won't compile under Unix
      Mailing costs (was RE: Announcing CONNECT Magazine)
      no GET INFO on trash (Q)
      Partition Performance (A)
      Powerbook Hard Drive made by IBM?
      Quantum ELS hard drives
      SANE patch
      Software companies vs. European consumers
      Surprise Holiday Gift from Novy/Systech
      Troff on Mac
      ViewEdit replacement anyone? [A]

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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 13:37 CDT
From: "Dwight Lemke @ Wisconsin Oshkosh" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] Why.hqx

This is a System 7 sfil sound of Annie Lennox asking the eternal
question "Why?"

-Dwight
 -------------------------------------------------------

[Archived as /info-mac/sound/annie-lennox-why.hqx; 185K]

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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 09:52 EST
From: "Cottleston, Cottleston, Cottleston Pie" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [Q] HP4M problems with TrueType fonts?

Roughly a week ago, someone posted a note concerning the HP Laserjet 4M and
Truetype.  This individual was unable to print truetype fonts from their Mac
to the 4M.  I'm currently thinking about the 4M and this would obviously throw
a wrench into its use.  I have not seen any response regarding this original
note.

So my question is to those with the 4M, and is if they are printing truetype
fonts.  If so (or if not), what, if any difficulties are there?

Much appreciated,
Mitch Cohen, [e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:10:42 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Ken B Kirksey)
Subject: BBEdit Problem

Hola,

I was wondering if any other SE/30 users out there had any problem getting
BBEdit to run on their machine.  It runs fine on my IIx (with full complement
of 20+ extensions) at work, but absolutely refuses to run on my SE/30 at
home.
I've tried turning off all extensions, booting from a clean System 7 floppy,
and booting from a clean System 6 Floppy.  In all cases when I launch BBEdit
I get an illegal instruction error (I can provide the MacsBug dump, if that
would help in diagnosis).

Anyone have any ideas?

                 Ken

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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 23:59:37 PST
From: [e-mail] (John Thoo)
Subject: Can't Save To Floppy Without Emptying Trash (C)


On 18 Dec 92 <[e-mail]> said:
%    Good news - There is a solution.  Get Trashman ($10 shareware).  It is
% written by  Dan Walkowski (email: [e-mail]).  It is in the
% archive:
%             /info-mac/util/trash-man-403.hqx
%   It not only allows you to selectively empty the trash on individual
% floppy disks, but also selectively deletes items from the hard disk trash
% after they have suitably aged.  It is one of the best shareware products
% that I have ever seen.

Might I also suggest using Trash Selector [./cp/trash-selector-12.hqx].
It's Carl W. Haynes III <[e-mail]> FREE
(actually "AdvertiseWare") extension that lets you delete individual
files/folders in the Trash on any volume (including floppies), and IMHO
complements TrashMan wonderfully.

--John.  <[e-mail]>

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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 09:31:41 -0600
From: [e-mail]
Subject: faxmodems

I'm interested in puchasing the Prometheus Ultima Home Office ( fax modem
voice mail, switcher and software).  I was wondering if anyone has any
opinions (good or bad) on this product.  Thanks.

Al Kutchera
[e-mail]

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Date: 28 Dec 1992 09:37:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Peter Jorgensen <[e-mail]>
Subject: File Errors (R)

In Issue 306, Richard Lim tells us of encountering error -5011 while trying to
manipulate files on a PathWorks volume. I believe we found this to be a result
of trying to exceed the maximum permitted levels of folder nesting on the
Pathworks volume. The default number of nested levels is only 7 (if I recall
properly). It can be changed with the PathWorks admin program on the VAX.

Hope this helps.

Peter Jorgensen - Colgate University Research & Instructional Computing Spec.
        - Mac/DOS/VMS consultant, PMDF Postmaster, HyperTalker

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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 00:02:00 PST
From: [e-mail] (John Thoo)
Subject: Font names listed in own font (A)


On 20 Dec 92 "Lyman Chapin" <[e-mail]> said:
% I remember that at one time there was a system extension (well, at the time,
% an init) that would cause the name of a font in a "fonts" menu to show up
% in its own font.  MacWrite II does this on its own;  is there a way to get
% this to work for all applications?

Sounds like you're looking for a shareware extension, and I'm no help there.
But MasterJuggler does allow one to show fonts in their own type faces, in
addition to allowing one to combine font families.

--John.  <[e-mail]>

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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 09:37:39 EST
From: Murph Sewall <[e-mail]>
Subject: Glitch at RICEVM1 [no Jan Vaporware for the moment]

Probably as a consequence of sumex's storage expansion, the mirror at
RICEVM1 has run out of space (that 1.8 MByte World Fact Book HyperCard
stack couldn't have had anything to do with that? ;-)

Evidently, the $MACARCHive at RICEVM1 doesn't have a routine for deleting
older, less popular files (since it won't mail anything greater than 300K,
maybe it should drop everything larger than that?).

One of the recent submissions NOT currently stored in the RICEVM1 archive
is the January Vaporware column :-(  That's unfortunate for those who
normally retrieve the column from the LISTSERV by email (info-micro has
already distributed the January column).

Those with BITNET hosts who can use message (TELL or SEND) the January
column IS archived at MACSERVE at PUCC

TELL MACSERVE AT PUCC GET VAPORWARE-01-93.TXT

or

SEND MACSERVE@PUCC GET VAPORWARE-01-93.TXT

(depending on whether the host is CMS or VMS).

Sorry for the inconvenience.

/s Murph Sewall <[e-mail]>

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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:10:43 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Ken B Kirksey)
Subject: Great Deal on GreatWorks

I got a great deal on Symantec's GreatWorks the other day and thought I'd
pass the info along.  The Software Etc. store in a local mall had copies
of GreatWorks 1.0 for $29 on the sale table, so, since I needed paint, draw,
and a spreadsheet, I decided to pick it up.  In the package was a cupon to
upgrade to version 2.0 for $49.  So, all told, I spend $80 for GreatWorks
2.0.  The best mail order price I've seen has been $199.

I don't know if other software retailers (WaldenSoftware, etc.) are carrying
it, but if you're in the market for an integrated package, you might want to
check it out.

                Ken

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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 08:27:06 EST
From: J. H. Goodman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Importing Text into Word 5

I also tried to eliminate the dialog by removing the Text with Layout
command.
This worked fine as long as I only tried to open text files. However, I had
the
following difficulties with PostScript files:


Double-click on EPS file
 --> No dialog asking about EPS, Text, etc.
    (I think it defaults to EPS but I can't recall)

Double-click on plain PS
 --> No dialog as above, followed by error "Invalid Data in Conversion File"

If you're only using plain text then removing the Text w/ Layout command
should
be okay but if you frequently deal with PS/EPS then you may want to put up
with
the annoying dialog for plain text.


Jay Goodman/Alcoa Technical Center/[e-mail]


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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 09:51:07 EST
From: [e-mail] (Jim Matthews)
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V10 #305

Murph Sewall writes in IM 10-305:
> The '060 may be worth waiting for because all the nifty little
> extensions and control panels you've come to love probably won't
work
> under PowerOPEN.  Applications, on the other hand are not likely to
be
> much of a problem, even if they haven't been completely recompiled
in
> native code.

I don't think that's true; the proof-of-concept system that Apple
demonstrated at the last developer's conference ran not only
applications but also After Dark and even MacsBug, all without a
680x0 in the machine.  If you think about it the PowerPC Mac *must*
be able to run system-level 680x0 code, since Apple doesn't have time
to rewrite all of the assembly code in System 7.1 and the Mac ROMs.

I think Apple's goal is for the first PowerPC to be as compatible
with existing software as the Quadra was at its introduction.  Really
funky stuff that deals directly with hardware, requires supervisor
mode, etc. will break, but most people should be able to run all
their current software.  If Apple meets that goal the 68060 won't be
very important, except to reassure customers who are nervous about
emulation.

Jim Matthews
Dartmouth Software Development

p.s. I really wish Apple would announce a name for the PowerPC Mac's
main OS; PowerOpen is the name of the Unix-based A/UX successor, but
the MacOS-on-microkernel-with-68020-emulation product is what most
people will run, and to my knowledge it doesn't have an official
name.  How about MacOS NT.... :-)

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Date: 28 Dec 1992 11:44:04 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Is System 7.1 SANE different from previous SANE versions?

I have noticed various messages about OMEGA SANE, and one or two about
System 7.1 SANE, but did not read them.  Now that I have a Powerbook 180,
which requries System 7.1 those messages suddenly seem relevent...
    Borland's "equation processor" EUREKA runs fine on various machines
running system 7.0 with the Tuneup, but will not run on my Powerbook 180.
Sine Borland got out of the Mac business some time ago they are of no help.
Could the problem be System 7.1 SANE?  What is Omega SANE, anyhow?  Anybody
else had this problem with EUREKA?
Barry Hall
DRBH@UORDBV

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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 09:37:02 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Brian Korver)
Subject: MacLayers, won't compile under Unix

Could someone tell me how to get MacLayers to compile on the unix side?
When I type 'make install' (or 'make installnopriv') I get a ton of errors
and the compiler dies.  For instance, I get the following error (among many):

    "layers.c", line 226: unknown size

Line 226 in layers.c contains looks like this (note, it does not look like it
is ifdef'd in such a way that it might be skipped in some configurations):

    struct tchars m_tchars;

A grep on "m_tchars" shows that it's never defined in the files that are in
the maclayers.shar file.  Should it be coming from something that is
included?
BTW, the version of MacLayers is "layers 1.00 17-Mar-1990".  My OS says it is
UNIX System V Release 3.2.0 i386 (DYNIX/ptx(R) V1.3.0).  Thanks in advance.

Brian Korver
[e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 16:12:01 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Michel Eytan, LILoL, Univ. Strasbourg II)
Subject: Mailing costs (was RE: Announcing CONNECT Magazine)

>Michel,
>
>You can believe what you like, but the post office charges over $2 a copy
>for us to send a magazine surface route overseas.  It's even more going to
>Europe by Air Mail, and that's at the discounted Printed Matter Rate.
>The price difference doesn't go to us, it goes to the postal department.
>
>                Patricia Snyder-Rayl

Patricia,

I apologize for my outburst. It looks as though I am totally wrong. Sorry
for accusing you instead of the US Post Office.

However I must cite the case of Byte magazine. The annual subscription was
#26 (=273FF), while I was charged 343FF, ie a 25% overcharge. Since
October, the # was devalued by about 15%, but the price in FF has stayed
the SAME for me!

Cheers
 ~=michel

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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 10:16:50 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: no GET INFO on trash (Q)

Neither the command-I nor FILE/Get Info will produce the expected window
when the trash can icon is selected. This problem recently cropped up on my
IIsi at work, although the IIsi at home doesn't seem to have the problem.
On the work machine, command-I works fine on all other folders. I'm running
7.0.1, tuned up, with various and sundry CP's and extensions.

Has anyone else experienced this?
Any ideas on how I might correct it?

Thanks in advance for your comments.

Wendy Farkas
Va Tech

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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 12:36:09 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Partition Performance (A)

[e-mail] asks:
>Is there such thing as a rule of thumb on how to partition a disk for
>best performance?

Many months ago I submitted a scheme I have found effective.  The response
at the time was sufficiently favorable that I repeat the bare bones here:

Rule 1: The nearer to the (physical) edge of the disk, the faster the
throughput (due to rotational speed).  This has nothing to do with "seek
time", but once "found" the disk blocks will be read/written more quickly.

Rule 2: The most frequently accessed software is the System software.

Rule 3: Smaller partitions degrade more slowly as fragmentation occurs (the
fragments can't get too far apart, reducing total seek time to collect them
all).

Rule 4: Separate the files that change (data files) from those that don't
(apps, system, etc) to reduce the time and media needed for backups.

Based on the above, I put a minimal partition for the System Folder (~
5-10MB depending on your needs) alone on the outermost edge of the disk, a
partition for applications next, and then one or more partitions for data
files <= 40MB each.  Use something like TimeDrive to figure out how your
partitioning software decides which partition to build "outside".  The one
with the fastest read/write is the outermost.

Paul

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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 10:54:05 PST
From: [e-mail] (Herb Kroemer)
Subject: Powerbook Hard Drive made by IBM?

SCSIProbe tells me that the 120Meg hard disk in my new PB 180 is made by
IBM. Hm!?

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Date: 28 Dec 1992 09:13:21 -0600 (CST)
From: "John A." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Quantum ELS hard drives

Has anyone had any experience with the new Quantum ELS series drives?
I have read that they have a longer MTBF than their old drives, but
are a bit slower. The speed difference probably doesn't matter for
most Macs, but I would be interested in knowing any other differences
(noise and so on). I have been scanning recent issues of MacWorld and
MacUser for a report and haven't found anything.

Quantum seems to be discontinuing their LPS series for capacities
under 200MB, so I think a lot of people will be running into these
drives in the future. Reply by email or to Info-Mac. If I get more
than one response, I'll post a summary.

John A.

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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 09:52:37 -0500
From: [e-mail] (William Homer Waits)
Subject: SANE patch

Dear netters,

    I started an attempt to hack System 7.1 to have the sane patch carried
over from 7.0.1.  I copied the PACK resources as was instructed. No problem.
I then attempted to search under the ROv# resourcs to find my ROM version.
Now we have a problem.  It seem that my ROM version is not listed.  I have a
Mac IIx (it has a FPU), and all reporting utilities report my IIx as having
ROM version 120, which is not listed on my active system, the orinal 7.1 disk,
or even in the original System 7.0.1 disk.  The closest version number listed
is
117.  Is there anyone out there who could help me, I would greatly appreciate
it.
Please respond to me directly, and once I check out the solution with
Speedometer, I'll post the solution, which will be a very quick turnaround.
Thanks in
advance.

--Bill

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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 11:59 CET
From: "Charles C. Schneider"
<[e-mail]>
Subject: Software companies vs. European consumers

Michel Eytan mentioned some frustration with the $$ treatment that
Europeans (or people with European addresses) receive from
folks at places like pegasus (CONNECT magazine).

While some people might be impressed with her frustration over a
matter of $20.00 or so, the problem is really very serious and
worth some attention.

The fact is that those of us living in Europe are practically
robbed by companies (such as Quark, Aldus, Adobe).

While living in the States (I'm a U.S. citizen since birth), I received
normal treatment and paid normal prices for software/hardware. Since
living in Europe, I've been treated dreadfully by software companies.

Quark tried to force me to pay over $2,000.00 for version 3.0 of
their software just because of my European address. When I bought
the same software for $500.00 from the States, they ignored my
registration and said I would have to buy the product (again) in
Europe (at the European price) before I could expect support.
Needless to say, I never got the promised free upgrade to 3.1.
Nor did I get the Quark Freebies Xtensions. =\

Aldus, while *only* demanding twice the normal price for their
software, told me that I would have to "make up the difference"
of the money I saved by buying American before I could expect
support.

Adobe accused me of knowingly "breaking the law" by purchasing
American software while living in Europe. This honestly was not
true, and I couldn't convince the abusive "support" person of
my innocence. I know now that these companies  don't like people
who live in Europe, but I honestly didn't know that THEN.

There are a lot of companies who treat me like a customer (regardless
of race, sex, religious belief or address): CE Software, Alladdin
Software, Userland, Fifth generations, Micron and several others
whose names I can't bring to mind during my polemic =).

Microsoft didn't ignore me, but they thought I'd purchased a
PC pascal compiler (and thanked me for it) even though I'd
purchased the Microsoft Office for the Mac (it was missing an
MSWord utilities diskette and they never got around to sending
one).

Symantec ignored me, too, but I never pursued it. I was just too
depressed by the treatment I'd received from Quark/Aldus/Adobe.

If you could see all the packages that I've purchased, you'd know
that I'm not a pirate (over 120 MB of paid for software). But when
I think of the crappy treatment that I've received , and I consider
the prices these folks demand, I really do understand why software
piracy is so popular in Europe.

One last note to this painful reply: I sincerely love Xpress,
PageMaker, Photoshop, Illustrator and ATM, but it will take some
time before I no longer resent the companies that make these products.

Ciao4now

Charles C. Schneider
International Atomic Energy Agency
Vienna, Austria
sdz5@iaea1 (bitnet)

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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 09:39:25 -0500
From: "Steve Marsh"  <[e-mail]>
Subject: Surprise Holiday Gift from Novy/Systech

Hey now,

 Just wanted to post my thanks and general kudos to Novy Systems/Systech for
sending an unexpected holiday gift. I have a Novy Mac20MX accelerator board
for my SE ('020+68881), and have had no problems with it except that the
sound has always been garbled. I've been unable to use any updated Novy
software since version 4.91 - anything newer crashed my SE on startup. Then,
two days before Christmas, I received a disk in the mail (free, of course)
>From Systech (Novy's software division) containing the accelerator cdev/init,
version 5.35. Lo and behold, it started like a charm and all my sounds are
garble-free! Now I have a "fully" functional accelerated SE and I'm a happy
comp'er.

Anyways, thanks again to Novy for continuing to support previous customers
(I thought I'd been forgotten/abandoned). Anyone with an older Novy board
should get this version of the software. (It does require 4MB RAM on the
accelerator board.) If anyone hasn't received it, post me a line. If enough
people are interested, I'll check with Systech and post it to info-mac if
its OK with them. (I think they allow open distribution, as it only works
with their boards.) Thanks again, Novy!

[Post no disclaimers]

- Steve Marsh  "[e-mail]"   ;-)

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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:10:41 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Ken B Kirksey)
Subject: Troff on Mac

I've got a couple of man pages I'd like to print out in a readable format
>From my Mac.  Is there any program out there that converts troff to ps, rtf,
or some other format I could use on the Mac.  Many thanks in advance.

                   Ken

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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 05:17:15 -0800
From: Robert Lenoil <[e-mail]>
Subject: ViewEdit replacement anyone? [A]

>Subject line says it all: I'm looking for a replacement for the EXTREMELY
>buggy ViewEdit for MacApp 3.0.  Anyone have any recommendations?

Ad Lib 1.0 by Nick Nallick is a ViewEdit 3.0 replacement (actually, it's
probably *the* ViewEdit 3.0 replacement). It is available exclusively from
MADA ([e-mail]). The price is $200 ($160 for MADA members);
demo disks are available for $10. MADA's phone number is 1-408-253-2765.

By the way, if you don't know about MADA - they are a non-profit
association for developers using object-oriented technology, with a primary
emphasis on the Macintosh and especially MacApp. They publish a monthly
journal, FrameWorks, put on an annual technical conference each February,
and distribute OOP development goodies like Ad Lib at a discount to their
members. If you're doing serious OOP development on the Mac, you probably
ought to join MADA.

Robert Lenoil
MADA Vice President (not my day job)

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