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Info-Mac Digest             Thu, 24 Dec 92       Volume 10 : Issue 305

Today's Topics:

      [*] ArtBeat, PS editor (part 1 of 3)
      [*] PCalc 1.0 Submission
      [*] Report: Internet Weather data & Satellite images
      [*] SCSI Probe 3.5 CDEV
      [*] twilight control panel vers. 7.1.0 released
      (C) Features wanted in new macs...
      1Mb/4Mb PC SIMMs
      Apple Associates/Partners programme.
      Apple SOS Service is AMAZING!
      Bell Curving
      Downloading NON .hqx files (A)
      Expressionist 3.00 to 3.01 (R)
      Froehliche Weihnachten und ein glueckliches neues Jahr!
      Future Macs
      Hidden Surprise in Maelstrom...
      JPEG Accelerator Card
      looking for Mac II dev notes (Q)
      Macintalk
      MacWorks for the Lisa
      multiple disk icons (A)
      Portable 1.3 Control Panel on PB100
      postscript to eps or postscript to pict
      ResEdit 2.1.1 & SoftwareFPU incompatibility
      ResEdit 2.1.1 & SoftwareFPU incompatibility...
      StyleWriter & Print Monitor
      video out for macs- see me
      WordPerf/Mac 2.1 <-> DOS 5.1 Transfers (4)

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 11:19:00 +0000
From: "Dia-Edin (D.E.) Helmy" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] ArtBeat, PS editor (part 1 of 3)

ArtBeat is a Drawing application that has excellent reviews. It is based
on Postscript objects, therefore, it can interchange drawings among
most existing Mac formats.

A friend of mine asked me to post this copy.  Try it, if you like it
don't call me! Call Pie in NJ [phone].

/DH

[Archived as /info-mac/demo/art-beat.hqx; 617K]

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 17:41:10 GMT
From: thomsonj <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] PCalc 1.0 Submission

Enclosed is a binhex file containing a submission for your archives.

PCalc is a neat simulation of a programmable scientific calculator.

Please note that it *requires* System 7.x.x.
If you use System 6.0.x or earlier, here is what you are missing:

  Programmable functions via a simple mini language.
  System 7.x.x savvy:
      Can be controlled & programmed via Apple Events.
      Balloon Help for every button, menu & dialog item.
      Resolves Aliases.
      32-bit clean.
      Multifinder aware.
  Large 16+3 digit display.
  Hierarchical menu of user functions.
  Includes many functions for converting between different weights and
  measures.
  Quick, one click, conversion between decimal, hexadecimal and binary
  numbers.
  AND, OR, NOT, XOR, ROL, ROR and other extra functions in hex and binary
  mode.
  30 named user constants, 10 for each mode.
  'Undo' of any action.

  Enhanced graphics when viewed on a 256 colour or 16 gray (or better)
  screen.
  Colour graphics and help screens are stored in separate plug-in extensions.
  Runs on any Mac with System 7.x.x or greater, with or without Color
  Quickdraw.

And of course it's freeware. If you only download one calculator this year,
give
this a try...

[Archived as /info-mac/app/pcalc-10.hqx; 122K]

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Date: 24 Dec 92 14:21:00 EST
From: "Troen, Bruce" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] Report: Internet Weather data & Satellite images

In Info-Mac #304, Stefano Pelli asks the whereabouts of weather and satellite
info on the internet.

Here is a document that details what is available.  There is a tremendous
wealth of data and up-to-date satellite images that are available to those of
us who find weather just plain fun.

[Archived as /info-mac/report/internet-weather-info.txt; 32K]

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 16:09:50 EST
From: Larry Wink <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] SCSI Probe 3.5 CDEV

[Obtained from comp.binaries.mac.  I'm just the poster - not the author.]

Here's the latest version of Robert Polic's SCSIProbe control panel.

There has been some concern expressed recently over a bogus version,
SCSIProbe 4.0, that had appeared on some bulletin boards.  That version
was a harmless April Fool's practical joke, perpetrated by someone whose
sense of humor needs adjustment.  That bogus version has caused Robert
no end of grief, and he would appreciate it if you'd remove any copies
that you find, replacing them with this version.

Thanks to Mike Bell at Apple Computer for providing this version from
Robert.

[Archived as /info-mac/cp/scsi-probe-35.hqx; 47K]

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 13:10:28 +0100
From: [e-mail] (Robert Lukassen)
Subject: [*] twilight control panel vers. 7.1.0 released

Hello moderators,

this is the first release of the control panel TwiLight, which replaces the
standard brightness control panel, supplied by Apple with system 7.

TwiLight allows you to control the brightness of the build-in screen of
Macintoshes that support the brightness control panel distributed by Apple
with System 7 software. It also contains a simple screen saver and allows
setting of the brightness of the screen directly, using user-defined modifier
keys and the 0-9 keys.

Version 7.1.0:

First release. Tested several months on a Classic II with 10 Mb and
System 7 with Tuner 1.1.1.

Requirements:

A macintosh that supports the Apple brightness control panel (Classic,
Classic II, Performa 200) and system 7.

I suggest this control panel to be placed in the 'cp' directory.

[Archived as /info-mac/cp/twilight-71.hqx; 22K]

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Date: 24 Dec 1992 00:26:52 -0500 (EST)
From: "[e-mail]"@HUSC3.HARVARD.EDU
Subject: (C) Features wanted in new macs...

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[e-mail] writes:

>I believe *this* will prove to be the undoing of Apple, who was supposed to
>produce an mp-system for 7.0 already, but has shown itself uncapable of
>doing what Amiga has done several years ago, that IBM (ps/2) can do now and
>MS (Windows NT) real soon.

I believe this is what PowerOpen (A/UX 4.0) will be designed for.  Last I
heard, it's getting quite far (already beta?).  The PPC's aren't really
ready yet, though.
--
           -  Ishir Bhan -  [e-mail]  -
                     - - -
       "The sky and the impossible explode..." -The Cure

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 13:08 GMT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: 1Mb/4Mb PC SIMMs

I was told that if you want to upgrade RAM in your Mac, you can put 1Mb PC
SIMMs safely in SE and LC models. I have heard that PC SIMMs are 9 bit
SIMMs, and Mac SIMMs are 8 bit SIMMs, but I don't know what this implies
when working in a Macintosh. It happens that, at least in Spain, PC SIMMs
are cheaper than Mac SIMMs. Before I can get a fried SE/30 logic board, I
would like to ask to netland:

Have you tried to put one of these configurations in a MAC SE/30?
a) Four PC 1Mb SIMMs + Four Mac 1Mb SIMMs
b) Four PC 4Mb SIMMs + Four Mac 1Mb SIMMs

Any help will be appreciated.

Jose M. Payo    <[e-mail]>

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 11:14:18 +0100
From: [e-mail] (Bo Holst-Christensen)
Subject: Apple Associates/Partners programme.

I have just received the prices for the European Associates and Partners
programmes. I would like to compare the European prices with the US prices.
What are the prices for the US Associates and Partners programmes?

   Bo Holst-Christensen
   [e-mail]      [e-mail]      FAX: [phone]

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 17:46:45 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Leonard Rosenthol)
Subject: Apple SOS Service is AMAZING!

I don't normally write this type of article, but I had such a WONDERFUL
experience this week, I wanted to share it.

My Powerbook 140's trackball has been giving me trouble for a while, and last
weekend it finally gave out and would only move horizontally (not a good
thing ;).

Monday morning I called 1-800-SOS-APPL (after being told by all the local
dealers that they couldn't do it in less tha a couple of weeks), talked with
a nice rep who took down all of my information and said he'd send out the
box for shipping and that the'd have it back on the 28th (not great but better
than the dealers).  So the box arrives on Tuesday, and I send it right back
out via Airbourne Express (all the forms come predone at Apple's expense).

This morning (Thursday), my Powerbook returned to me FULLY REPAIRED!!!

Talk about service, they turned the machine around the SAME DAY they recieved
it, so I was only without my PB for 2 days (airbourne time).

It's about time someone (Apple, thankfully) did something like this in the
computer (or any other) industry.

Leonard Rosenthol
P.S. I did this as an "end user", I received no special developer privledges
and never even identified myself as one.

Leonard Rosenthol                       Internet:       [e-mail]
Director of Advanced Technology         AppleLink:      MACgician
Aladdin Systems, Inc.                   GEnie:          MACgician

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 9:55:45 EST
From: [e-mail] (Prof. L.G. Leduc)
Subject: Bell Curving

Netters,

Does anyone know of a Mac program which can bell curve student marks?

A shareware program would be preferred.

Please reply directly to me.

Leo G. Leduc

[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 00:11 EST
From: Jeffrey L. Needleman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Downloading NON .hqx files (A)

Todd Breslow asks in 10-304:

>I came across some files I'd really like to download at the umich
>archive site, and they are listed as simply ".sit" and not ".hqx"
>files. I've had a hell of a time trying to get them to work.
>I've downloaded the files both in ASCII mode and in BINARY mode,
>and neither work. StuffIt will recognize the ASCII download, but
>can not unstuff it. The Binary version is complete nonesense.
>
>I ask: what am I doing wrong?

Well, Todd, you don't really say what you've done. You don't mention the
download protocol, the systems used, the software used, the settings used,
or the files you had trouble with. All that info can pin down the cause of
your problem.

But I'll take a shot anyway. My guesses:

1) There have been some changes in the StuffIt format in the last few
years; the old decompressors can't handle the newer formats. Try unstuffing
with Stuffit Expander 3.0 (info-mac/util/stuffit-expander-30.hqx), which
handles all the StuffIt formats (and a lot more--and is free).

2) If you're doing your ftp first to a mainframe and then to your Mac, odds
are pretty good that you wound up with MacBinary files that have to be
turned into real Mac files before StuffIt will work on them. Try using
info-mac/util/unfolder-20.hqx
on the errant files.

Jeff Needleman  <[e-mail]>

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 9:04:02 MET
From: Henk Verhaar <[e-mail]>
Subject: Expressionist 3.00 to 3.01 (R)

Gordon S Bates writes: (Info-Mac 304)

>   Would whoever posted the Expressionist 3.00 to 3.01 Updater please do
> so again -- I have downloaded what is on Sumex and get a file of size 0K.

Well, I also downloaded the Expressionist updater and had absolutely no
problem with it. So as far as I can tell, there is nothing wrong with the file
found on Sumex.

Hope this helps

Henk ([e-mail])

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 22:29 CDT
From: "Dwight Lemke @ Wisconsin Oshkosh" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Froehliche Weihnachten und ein glueckliches neues Jahr!

Date sent:  23-DEC-1992 22:22:50

In the spirit of the season, I thought I'd offer a Weihnacht's Baum.  Rest
assured that the so-called "Christmas Tree" is a non-denominational symbol
of the Winter Solstice first brought into vogue by my pagan Teutonic
ancestors.  It was adopted by the early Christians as a way of assisting
in the conversion of pagans.



                 +
                 *
              +*****+
                 *
                *|*
               */|\*
              */|||\*
             */|||||\*
               */|||||||||\*
             */|||||||||||||\*
           */|||||||||||||||||\*
         */|||||||||||||||||||||\*
           */|||||||||||||||||||||||||\*
               */|||||||||\*
             */|||||||||||||\*
           */|||||||||||||||||\*
         */|||||||||||||||||||||\*
           */|||||||||||||||||||||||||\*
         */|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||\*
       */|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||\*
               |||||
               |||||
               |||||

       *************************************
       *************************************

[No Disclamer, because "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn!]

-Dwight

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 01:53:37 EST
From: Murph Sewall <[e-mail]>
Subject: Future Macs

On Wed, 23 Dec 92 15:24:09 CST you said:
>It would be interesting to know how RISC and '060 Macs will compare.
>The problem is, as I understand it, that the RISC Mac will only be
>compatible with current Mac software via an emulation mode
>and will rely on developers porting their apps. If an '060 Mac is
>only 6 months behind a RISC Mac (a Power PC, I seem to remember they're
>called) it's conceivable that the '060 Mac would be worth waiting
>for.

The '060 may be worth waiting for because all the nifty little
extensions and control panels you've come to love probably won't work
under PowerOPEN.  Applications, on the other hand are not likely to be
much of a problem, even if they haven't been completely recompiled in
native code.

First, do you really care if your word processor runs on 5 times as fast
as it would on a Quadra rather than 15 times as fast?   If your using
something like PhotoShop, native code can make a difference.  However,
that difference isn't going to be as large as you might think because
Macintosh applications are executing toolbox calls a surprising fraction
of the time (more than two-thirds of the time and sometimes as much as
five-sixths of the time).  Apple is rewriting the entire toolbox in
native RISC (perhaps not every routine will be rewritten for the first
version of the PowerPC operating system).  Hence, even 1986 Macintosh
applications that religiously followed Apple's programming guidelines
should run on the PowerPC and in native code 70 percent of the time or
more.  At that rate, the '060 isn't likely to offer much of a raw speed
advantage for older applications.

[One of the key points of the PowerPC RISC design is that it is more
 cost-effective than the Motorola and other complex chips. Even if the
 speed is similar, the PowerPC Mac will come at a reduced price. Also,
 power consumption should be lower, which is important for portables. -Bill]



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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 08:23:01 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Michael I. Wilson)
Subject: Hidden Surprise in Maelstrom...



I noticed that the game Maelstrom has a neat surprise -- when the date is
near Christmas the options on the first screen change to Christmas tree
ornaments!!



-Michael Wilson

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 17:07:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Daniel Neuman <[e-mail]>
Subject: JPEG Accelerator Card

I just purchased a Mirror Quick! JPEG Accelerator card in order to see if
I could make better Quicktime movies or smaller files. I was sceptical
that it would do much, but was assured that if I didn't like it, I could
return the card (sale priced at $499) within 30 days.

Using a Quadra 950 with 24 Mb of Ram, QuickTime 1.5, and a Videospigot
capture card with its software (Screenplay 1.1.1), I captured a 12 second
QuickTime video clip from a TV monitor output at no limit per frame
(coming to about 15-16 fps) at the 320 by 240 size, with audio enabled.

Here are the results.

12 second clip 320 x 240 (all at 3.0 quality)

Default ( saved by Videospigot in its native format)   7.9 Mb
JPEG without the accelerator board                     5.8 Mb
JPEG compression with accelerator board                2.6 Mb

Without the card it took 4 minutes and 37 seconds to make the JPEG
compressed file. With the card it took 1 minute and 40 seconds to
compress. I can't explain why there was a difference in file size
between the JPEG compression with and without the board, but it
really did make an enormous difference in the time it took to save
the file and the degree to which it compressed the file.

As to quality, when played back through Spigotplay, I could not tell
any difference between the original 7.9 Mb file and the 2.6 Mb file.
If anything the JPEG compressed file played back more smoothly than the
original, perhaps because it required less computing to put images to the
screen.

Needless to say (but I'm saying it anyway), I have nothing whatsoever to
do with the company. If you have questions, however, you can call them at
612.633.2105.


________________________________________________________________________
Daniel M. Neuman                         Internet: [e-mail]
Seattle, WA  98195

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 05:28:54 GMT
From: [e-mail] (M. Erroll Ozgencil)
Subject: looking for Mac II dev notes (Q)

Apple publishes technical information for each of there
machines called "developer notes" and makes them available
at ftp.apple.com and on the developer CD. I don't have access
to the developer CD anymore, and ftp.apple.com only has the
notes for more current macs. Can anyone point me to the developer
notes (or any other source of hardware info) on the original
Mac II?

Erroll
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 01:54:23 EST
From: Murph Sewall <[e-mail]>
Subject: Macintalk

On 23 Dec 1992 04:34:59 +0100 (CET) you said:
>Recently a few people inquired were Macintalk could be found. I am
>unable at the moment to upload it, but you can ftp it from ftp.uni-kl.de
>(pub/macin/macintalk.hqx).

NOT!  Too bad, I imagine a LOT of trans-Atlantic (probably some
trans-Pacific too) bandwidth got wasted on this wild goose chase.
Fortunately, the file is small and Christmas Eve probably is a "slow
news day" anyway.

Out of curiosity, I ftp'd that file (and also macintak-stack.hqx).  It's
a HyperCard external for using MacinTalk in Hypercard programs, but it
is NOT MacinTalk, nor does either archive contain MacinTalk!

/s Murph Sewall <[e-mail]>

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 17:59:38 PST
From: [e-mail] (Herb Kroemer)
Subject: MacWorks for the Lisa

The other day someone inquired about MacWorks Plus (or something like that)
for the Apple Lisa (a.k.a. Mac XL). It turns out that one of my colleagues,
who once owned a Mac XL, still has the software, and might be willing to
part with it.

>
>>
>  I'm sure I'm not the only one to get the info on 9 to 5 office software
> deal.  It states that it contains abbreviated versions of some programs,
> and Hypercard 2.1 is included.  Has anyone gotten this yet? Is it worth
> the $20?  Sounds to me like a few Hypercard stacks and some demo
> programs put together to make $$.
>   Thanks
>

I got this - I would consider it a fairly full-featured package, rather than
a 'demo'. It does benefit 9-to-5 because it shows how their add-ons can be
put to good use.

nrf

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Date: 24 Dec 1992 13:42:34 +0100 (MET)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: multiple disk icons (A)

I found twice in few days the same question about the appearance
of multiple disk icons for the same disk. Seems to become a FAQ item.
The appearnce is related to a SCSI ID conflict, often because the disk
ID is set to 7, which is reserved to the Mac CPU. So even if 7 is
available from the disks switches, beware fiddling with them too much.

Michele
internet: [e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 14:09:08 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Arthur Gorski)
Subject: Portable 1.3 Control Panel on PB100

Kee Nethery writes:

>Strangeness. When I open the Portable version 1.3 control panel on my
>PowerBook 100 I notice that the screen goes dim (no backlighting), the
>system and Hard disk sleep times are set to 1 minute. When I increase the
>backlighting from none to something, backlighting turns back on. I can move
>the sleep sliders from 1 minute to various other settings. When I close the
>Portable control panel and then reopen it, everything has been reset to no
>backlight, 1 & 1 minute for sleeps. What is going on and how do I get it to
>remember te settings? No, the file is not locked. Hmmm.

>Also the other thing I notice is that when the PB100 is plugged into power,
>it never goes to sleep. I do not have the "don't sleep when plugged into
>power" checked in the Portable control panel.

I haven't seen this phenomenon using System 7.0.1 and Tuneup 1.1.1 on my
PB100.  However, I'm using Portable control panel v7.0.1.  There is an
extension named "The Regulator" which sets sleep to 15 minutes when you're
plugged in, overriding the Portable control panel settings.  You're not using
anything like this are you?
--
email:  [e-mail]        Arthur M. Gorski        [phone]
snail:  The MITRE Corporation, 1120 NASA Road One, Houston, Texas 77058

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 17:27:41 +0200
From: safran/weizmann <[e-mail]>
Subject: postscript to eps or postscript to pict

Does anyone know of a program - commercial or otherwise - which
can take a postscript file and convert it to an eps file or a pict
file which can be both read and manipulated by programs such
as photoshop, canvas, ... ?

many thanks

Sam Safran
Dept. of Materials and Interfaces
Weizmann Institute
Rehovot,  Israel 76100
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Bitnet: BPSAFRAN at WEIZMANN

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 18:57:14 MDT
From: Alonso Castro <[e-mail]>
Subject: ResEdit 2.1.1 & SoftwareFPU incompatibility

>Not that anyone probably really cares, but ResEdit 2.1.1 simply will not open
>ANYTHING if SoftwareFPU is installed ("Can't open resource [-192]" I
>believe).
>Just thought I might be able to save someone else the trouble of rebooting a
>hundred times (like I had to) until the offending cdev is found...
>The author of SoftwareFPU will be informed of this as well..

I have been using ResEdit 2.1.1 and SoftwareFPU for years (well, ONE year)
with
no problems. The problem may be caused by a combination of SFPU and something
else. Have you tried installing fresh copies?

Alonso Castro
[e-mail]

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Date: 24 Dec 1992 00:21:11 -0500 (EST)
From: "[e-mail]"@HUSC3.HARVARD.EDU
Subject: ResEdit 2.1.1 & SoftwareFPU incompatibility...

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[e-mail] writes:

>Not that anyone probably really cares, but ResEdit 2.1.1 simply will not open
>ANYTHING if SoftwareFPU is installed ("Can't open resource [-192]" I
>believe).

>Just thought I might be able to save someone else the trouble of rebooting a
>hundred times (like I had to) until the offending cdev is found...

>The author of SoftwareFPU will be informed of this as well..

I had that problem with ResEdit on my docked Duo 230 (but not when it was
undocked).  It happened even when I restarted without INITs.  Reinstalling
the system solved the problem.
--
           -  Ishir Bhan -  [e-mail]  -
                     - - -
       "The sky and the impossible explode..." -The Cure

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 11:04:44 EST
From: James BelBruno (GC-CDSI) <[e-mail]>
Subject: StyleWriter & Print Monitor

Forgive me to those who say I shouldn't post this question here. But...I
have been reading the last few days about how StyleWriter comes w/ a
utility ...Print Monitor...to speed up the SW printing basically...while u
work.  I purchased my SW in June.  Did this utility become included
afterwards?
I cannot find this utility at all on my system.  I looked in my SW manual
index could not locate anything about it.  I have had my Mac system for a few
months now and have not realized the full capabilities of it.  This is one
of the examples.         thanks for any help.
JB    Picatinny Arsenal, Dover, NJ

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Date: 24 Dec 1992 14:19:16 -0700 (MST)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: video out for macs- see me

I have recently compiled a bit of info on video out for a mac.
Its pretty large but now worth leaving on sumex.

so, I know I'll regret it, but, send me E-mail, and I'll
send you a copy of my summary.

Nohl Lyons
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 12:35:59 PST
From: [e-mail] (Herb Kroemer)
Subject: WordPerf/Mac 2.1 <-> DOS 5.1 Transfers (4)

Thanks to Dave Reiser for his comments in #304 on the WP Inter-Platform
Transfer problem.

> ... The biggest problem is that
>fonts on the two platforms (for any software) are not identical. The problem
>is a bit worse for WordPerfect DOS because WPCorp. designed their own fonts
>for the DOS program. No matter what WPCorp does with fonts, unless the same
>type house wrote fonts with identical metrics for both platforms (ATM,
>anyone?) there is _no_ hope of perfect translations.

True enough, but most of what I see can NOT be credibly associated with
font metric problems.

>I'm not sure, but some of the margins and tabs problems may be related. WP
>may be attempting to compensate for known font metric conversion problems.
>I think they'd be better off translating margins and tabs exactly.

If that is indeed what they are doing, I would use rather stronger language
to characterize it. But frankly, I doubt that this is what is going on, and
even if it were, I find some of my transfer problems hard to explain by
this hypothesis.

Here is a rundown:

My problems started when I received a (good-looking) printout of a certain
document that was generated with WP5.1 on a DOS machine, along with a DOS
disk of the same file, done immediately after the printing. My task was to
do assorted contents revisions, andto return it. When I read the disk into
my Mac IIfx (Apple File Exchange or AccessPC; the results were the same),
and opened the transfer with my brand-new WMacP2.1.2, the results looked
messy, quite different than the WP5.1 printout. Some justified paragraphs
had been converted into centered paragraphs, some italics were gone, a
string of underlined blanks showed up out of nowhere, some returns were
missing, and there were assorted horizontal misalignments that might indeed
be font metric related.

I fixed up all the glitches, did my revisions, and saved and printed the
document (it looked gorgeous). I then saved another copy in 5.1 format, for
returning to my partner. Just to check the accuracy of the transfer, I
re-imported the 5.1 version into WPMac: Some tabs in the re-imported
version were simply not at the place where they had been in the 2.1
version, and the page layout was again messed up (although far less bad
than after the original transfer).

Following a call to WP's 800 number, I sent the various disk files and
accompanying printouts to WP for dissection. Stay tuned.

>Also, the file transfer capability definitely falls down on multiple passes
>between platforms. There is some degradation on the return of a round trip.

I can live with that for exotic features, such as fancy page borders, but I
find it inexcusable for features as basic as tabs. To me, multiple passes
are the essence of cross-platform compatibility.

Regards,
Herb K.

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Date: 24 Dec 1992 19:53:56 +0100 (CET)
From: [e-mail] (Alexei Tsvetkov)

    My apologies for probably causing an unnecessary rush by providing
an ftp address for the Macintalk, which turned out to be something else. As
Murph Sewald informed me, it is a HC external for Macintalk, not the beast
itself.
    I gophered that file and was deceived by the fact that somebody had
archived it under the name Macintalk. There was no way to check it at the
moment.
    Sorry, will try again. Happy holidays.
Alexei Tsvetkov
Munich

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Date: 24 Dec 1992 19:54:02 +0100 (CET)
From: [e-mail] (Alexei Tsvetkov)

>My daughter's Ehman drive went fritz. Can anyone tell me who services these
>>jobbies now-adays? What is the relevant telephone number and address?
>er and address?

Seems, you are out of luck. Ehman went belly up. If you browse through the
couple of recent issues of MacUser, there should be an article on it and
you might find a phone number, but don't get you hopes too high.
Alexei Tsvetkov
Munich

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