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- Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
- Path: sparky!dsndata!backbone!backbone!wayne
- From: wayne@backbone.uucp (Wayne Schlitt)
- Subject: Re: AMD rubbish????
- In-Reply-To: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu's message of Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18: 43:02 GMT
- Message-ID: <WAYNE.92Dec28191841@backbone.uucp>
- Sender: wayne@backbone (Wayne Schlitt)
- Organization: The Backbone Cabal
- References: <92343.30350.J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM>
- <BzMHBq.JxB@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
- Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 01:18:41 GMT
-
- In article <BzMHBq.JxB@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:
- >
- > The reason is that the Cyrix part isn't a true 486. It does use the
- > 486 instruction set (at least some of it) but is really a drop-in
- > part for 386 motherboards.
- >
-
-
- There was just a fairly long discussion in a few news groups on
- whether the Cyrix chip is a "true" 486 or not and I have come to the
- following conclusions:
-
-
- 1) The Cyrix chip implements all new instructions and all new cpu
- flags that the intel 486 implements.
-
-
- 2) This like chip pin-outs, bus widths, cache sizes and
- organizations, number of chips and support of floating point are
- usually considered "implementation details". What instructions
- (especially user mode instructions) the chip implements is what
- determines the "cpu architecture".
-
- The fact that the 386SX has a smaller bus than a 386DX doesn't
- mean it isn't a "real" 386. The same goes for the pin differences
- between a 486DX and a 487DX. Likewise, the IBM "blue lightning"
- 486DX-99 is said to have a larger cache, this doesn't mean it isn't
- a 486.
-
-
- 3) NeXTStep is said to not run on a Cyrix chip. No other software
- has been shown not to work on the Cyrix chip, and no one knows why
- NeXT can't get NeXTStep to run on it.
-
-
- 4) The Cyrix executes most instructions in 1 cycle, just like intel's
- chips. Some instructions execute faster, some are slower.
- Overall, the Cyrix parts are slower than the intel versions by
- about 10% at the same Mhz (measured on SPECint). This is mostly
- due to the smaller cache, but if the Cyrix chip has a
- better/larger external cache it could actually run faster.
-
-
- Therefore, the Cyrix chip should probably be considered a "true" 486,
- but ya gotta watch the performance off the computer system, not just
- the Mhz or the chip&Mhz.
-
-
- -wayne
-