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- From: hdev@dutiag.tudelft.nl (Hans de Vreught)
- Subject: Re: The "high price" of the HP48!
- Message-ID: <hdev.725997634@dutiag>
- Sender: news@dutiws.twi.tudelft.nl (Dutiws News Administration)
- Organization: Delft University of Technology
- References: <PHR.92Dec30222224@napa.telebit.com> <1992Dec31.181700.8722@doug.cae.wisc.edu> <PHR.92Dec31210006@napa.telebit.com> <1993Jan1.121301.2942@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
- Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 18:00:34 GMT
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- kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) writes:
- >phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin) writes:
-
- >> You can
- >>quite easily get a 386sx box in the $500 range and I've scrounged
- >>together XT and 286 machines for as little as $100.
-
- >Typically "cheap" 386SX boxes with hard drives and monitors
- >go for about $1K. And these really are CHEAP PCs -- flimsy keyboards, huge
- >dot pitch monitors, etc. Definitely not HP (or even TI or Casio) quality!
- >Also, software for that PC of yours is going to run you at least another
- >$100 for MathCAD, Mathematica, etc. -- and those are often the student
- >versions.
-
- No, Joel, Paul is right. A modern 386SX with VGA monitor and 40MB is over here
- (Europe) about $650. So in the States $500 sounds reasonable to me. Quality?
- Let's not kid ourselves, the quality of unknown retailers is about the same as
- better known vendors. Several cards in my pc (unknown manufactory) are
- identical to the ones used by, say, IBM or HP. Bying a pc from a well known
- manufactory sounds to me like a rip off.
-
- Well, the software part, is another story. Most likely the software will be
- obtained in a way not approved by the developers (if you get my drift...). But
- there is also *lots* of software publically available and which is of high
- quality. The prices you've mentioned are simply out of date (even 486DXs
- aren't expensive any more).
-
- About, the original point "48SX is a machine loking for a problem" the
- following. I owe (beside my pc and 95LX) a 48S. My reason for a 48S instaed
- of a 48SX was that I simply don't need the "X" part. I previously owed
- (well, I still have him) a 15C and I used it heavily for matrix operations. I
- really needed a bigger machine that was also capable of complex matrices (you
- would be amazed if you know what problems you can solve with matrix
- operations).
-
- A 48S was my choice as an upgrade. Sure, most things of the 48S you'll never
- use but hack, that goes with the territory (or should I say 48S). Why did I
- choose HP? Well, HP *calculators* are high quality machines: both their
- construction and their special purpose functionality. But, I'm not overwhelmed
- by the power of the 48S. It is soooooo slooooow and the symbolic capability
- stinks. Mathematica (or similar programs) is so much faster and better. But
- comparing a Sparc (with Mathematica) with a calc isn't fair.
-
- If the next generation of HP calcs has incorporated Mathematica or Derive,
- well, then we're talking about a powerful calculator. That's probably when I
- dump my 48S for a new calc.
- --
- Hans de Vreught | John von Neumann:
- hdev@dutiba.twi.tudelft.nl | Young man, in mathematics
- Delft University of Technology (TWI-ThI) | you don't understand things,
- The Netherlands | you just get used to them.
-