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- From: rigby@pyramid.unr.edu (Wayne Rigby)
- Subject: Re: Amigas and Markets and Users
- References: <Paula_Lieberman.07ny@amicol.UUCP>
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- Organization: University of Nevada, Reno Department of Computer Science
- Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 09:29:47 GMT
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- In article <Paula_Lieberman.07ny@amicol.UUCP> Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:
- >The 1200 performance is lower, and I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF POWERING A
- >1993 COMPUTER with a 12 years old 68020 architecture, and especially not
- >the even more frontally lobotomized 68EC020
- >
- >(WHY not a 68030, so that
- >I could use Gigamem to use the hard drive when trying to deal with DTP
- >stuff and graphics processing and multiple apps running simultaneously,
- >that want to grab more RAM than anyone except Dave Haynie has in their
- >machine -- yes, I KNOW VM is SLOW, BUT it beats getting requesters that
- >say, "NOT ENOUGH MEMORY TO.....". It's the difference between NOT being
- >able to do certain things at ALL, and doing them SLOWLY -- I'd much
- >rather have the option to do them, even at a VM crawl!
-
- Pretty much agreed with by probably most everyone. A 68030 would be very
- nice... But, Commodore is trying to make it as cheap as possible so as many
- people as possible can afford it. A full 68020 should have been used, IMO,
- but this will work alright. VM will be possible with the purchase of a
- trapdoor installed MMU. This fits in with the cheap philosophy. Buy the
- extra things when you can afford them and slowly build up your system to
- somthing nice. I'm still saving up to get my first Amiga... I can't even
- afford a $300 A500. I really can't stand the limits of my C128 any more. :(
- (I really wish Commodore would offer Power Up deals from the C64/C128's.)
-
- >and applications like Art Expression recommend 2 MB MINIMUM to run. Want
- >to run PageStream, BME, Art Expressions,and PageLiner at the same time,
- >or Professional Page, Professional Draw, and ProCalc at the same time?
- >2 MB is a joke! Want to import pictures into Art Department Pro? Cary
- >Wasserman told me that one image he was just trying to LOOK at in ADPro
- >he couldn't even load into the program, because ADPro gave him a
- >requester saying 20 MB of RAM was required!
-
- Well, if you want to do things like that, then one is better off with a
- mid or high end computer, if one can afford one, of course. There are always
- limits for a low end machine that are hard to break or only slowly gets pushed
- up.
-
- >A PCMCIA card for a 600 or 1200 with 4 MB of memory retails for $350 --
- >that costs more than a 120 MB IDE hard drive! I'd rather have the hard
- >drive and VM! Yeah, it's SLOWER -- but a lot MORE flexible and
- >AFFORDABLE!
-
- Yes, PCMCIA memory expansion is IMO stupid. Much better to get the 32 bit
- fast RAM expansion for the trapdoor which is cheaper and faster. Of course
- the additional hardware you need might bring the price up just a tad... :)
-
- >I never wanted a C64 -- no keypad, no function keys, 40 columns, etc.
- >etc. Did not meet my Minimum Required Essential Equipment configuration.
-
- Ummm, minor point, the C64 has function keys. A whole 8! (4 physical) :)
-
- My only real problems with the A1200 is no detachable keyboard (After 7 years
- with C64's and C128's I NEED a detachable keyboard!) and no battery backed
- clock. Other than that, it's an excellent performance for the price. A
- great low end machine. It's other limitations and problems are not
- inconsistant with a low end machine. Commodore is going to make just a small
- amount of money with it... I hope you get your drive problem worked out,
- Ms. Lieberman!
-
- Wayne Rigby
- Jobless Computer and Systems Engineer
- rigby@cs.unr.edu
-