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- From: dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter)
- Newsgroups: comp.std.internat
- Subject: Re: Dumb Americans (was INTERNATIONALIZATION: JAPAN, FAR EAST)
- Message-ID: <8504@charon.cwi.nl>
- Date: 3 Jan 93 01:46:37 GMT
- References: <1993Jan1.115424.27258@enea.se> <1i2gpvINN3lm@rodan.UU.NET> <1993Jan2.230101.20871@enea.se>
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- In article <1993Jan2.230101.20871@enea.se> sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog) writes:
- > The problem with your idea is that you believe that everything is
- > known at input time. It isn't. If you have a list of names which
- > is to be used in Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Finland, the list will
- > sort differently depending on the reader, not on who is entering the
- > text. The Swedish and Finnish alphabets ends with A-ring, A-dots,
- > O-dots. The Danish and Norwegian ends with AE-ligature, O-slash,
- > A-ring. Looks trivial for a simple bit-order sort? Nope. Because
- > the dotted A is equivlent to the AE ligature and so is dotted O and
- > O-slash. Thus Danish and Norwegian names with slashed O should
- > appear together with Swedish and Finnish names with dotted O. So
- > the sort algorithm must make no distinction between the two, except
- > when everything else in the same. And the sort algorithm must know
- > in which order the user wants the text to be presented.
- Not to mention that the Danish/Norwegian 'aa' is sometimes equivalent
- to 'a-ring'.
- >
- > This is a simple end-user requirement which your proposal is not
- > incapabale to handle.
- I think you intended to say that Vadims proposal is not capable to
- handle it (I agree with that).
- >
- > >which is not easy and sometimes ruins the whole logic of the
- > >program (see shell globbing example in my previous posting os
- > >tr example before).
- >
- > You've talked a lot about regular expressions etc. Frankly I
- > don't give a damn about those. The main bulk of computer users
- > are not programmers and don't know what a regular expression
- > is, so why focus such specific issues?
-
- I agree completely here. Shell globbing, regular expressions and
- sorting by 'ls' are not relevant. (There are still systems around
- that do not sort the list of files at all. Can you say IBM VM/CS?)
- Those things are indeed used by programmers only, end-users search
- on fixed strings and would be surprised if their dotted-a shows no
- match because of language differences.
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