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  4. From: charlie@umnstat.stat.umn.edu (Charles Geyer)
  5. Subject: Re: Stupid Licenses (YUCK!)
  6. Message-ID: <1993Jan2.170529.24825@news2.cis.umn.edu>
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  9. Organization: School of Statistics, University of Minnesota
  10. References: <bhayden.725514513@teal> <1992Dec30.130805.28123@mksol.dseg.ti.com> <bhayden.725949329@teal>
  11. Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 17:05:29 GMT
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  13.  
  14. In article <bhayden.725514513@teal> bhayden@teal.csn.org (Bruce Hayden) writes:
  15.  
  16. > Again, if the vendor did legitimate regression testing before releasing
  17. > the upgrade, you wouldn't have this problem. 
  18.  
  19. In article <1992Dec30.130805.28123@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com
  20. (fred j mccall 575-3539) replies:
  21.  
  22. > Well, you wouldn't have it AS MUCH.  However, from reading your
  23. > comments, it just doesn't seem that you've considered what kind of
  24. > real-world problems you're talking about.
  25.  
  26. And in article <bhayden.725949329@teal> bhayden@teal.csn.org (Bruce Hayden)
  27. replies:
  28.  
  29. > Well, I was in software development long enough (15 years) that I 
  30. > have seen how it is done wrong more times than I can count. I have
  31. > also seen it done right. My experience is that all it takes to do
  32. > it right is proper planning and adequate resources. 
  33.  
  34. No doubt trying to do it right helps, but that's not enough.  The vast
  35. majority of software suffers from Creeping Featurism or is Broken As Designed.
  36. No amount of "good software engineering practice" will fix that.
  37.  
  38. You can't have quality software unless you put quality before featurality.
  39.  
  40. -- 
  41. Charles Geyer
  42. School of Statistics
  43. University of Minnesota
  44. charlie@umnstat.stat.umn.edu
  45.