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- From: dglattin@trirex.com (Dennis Glatting)
- Subject: more questions
- Message-ID: <1992Dec30.034549.2771@Trirex.COM>
- Keywords: ntp xntp
- Sender: root@Trirex.COM (Operator)
- Organization: Trirex Systems Inc.
- Distribution: usa
- Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 03:45:49 GMT
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- I am enjoying my exploration of time. I have some questions that I'd like
- to ask.
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- Here at McCaw I'm proposing a three tier time network. There are 39 hosts
- synchronizing time across the WAN. Four of them are connected to either
- receivers or Internet secondaries. Those hosts are peered with one
- another and are our stratum 1 servers.
-
- The remaining 35 hosts are stratum 2. Each host is peered with one
- stratum one, a client of the remaining three stratum ones, and peered with
- two other stratum 2 hosts.
-
- Each server is located at a well know router site where many user hosts
- connect. Each user host will be a client of a maximum of four servers.
- I'm currently looking at load and traffic to determine if this is a
- reasonable solution. Because the router sites are geographically
- dispersed and there are many cooperating servers, it seems like a
- reasonable configuration.
-
- I'm considering using Sun somethings as the servers. I have calculated a
- worst case poll rate of four queries per second to these hosts. One
- question I have for the net is load. The configuration doesn't feel like
- a significant network or CPU load. What is your opinion? (For my
- calculations I assumed sixty four user hosts at each router site.) Would
- it be better to use computers from a single vendor or multiple vendors as
- the servers?
-
- McCaw has made a significant investment in NeXT computers. Those
- computers will be user hosts. Many other computers will be user hosts too
- such as PeeCees, Macintoshes, Suns, HPs, etc. From the Unix perspective I
- have a clue. But another question I have is what packages are available
- for the PCs and Macs such that they can time sync too?
-
- What commercial packages are available to implement NTP? There is an
- issue regarding support.
-
- What are the PD NTP packages? I'm aware of xntp3 and ntp-test. Are there
- others?
-
- In one of my previous postings I had a question about loops. What is a
- time loop and why is it bad? Is a time loop where two hosts are peered
- with each other or where a group of hosts are peered with each other?
-
- Regarding NeXT:
- NeXT ntp seems to ignore /etc/ntp.conf and suck its configuration from
- NetInfo. The ntp configuration files I've seen contain three server
- specification types: peer, server, and passive. NeXT has implemented
- _server_, _host_, and something else which I haven't looked into. There
- must be some magic code in their modified version of ntp that looks at
- those entries and host name and comes to some magical configuration
- conclusion. I have only one problem with this: no documentation. The
- documentation that does exist says something to the effect: "Use
- HostManager. It just works." While I'm sure this is reasonable in a
- small network, bigger networks have bigger issues and there must be some
- definition management. My question ultimately comes to: does anyone have
- a reasonable explanation of NeXT's implementation? The issue is
- controlling load distribution. If a computer isn't listed in one of the
- NetInfo entries then, does it poll all of the hosts listed? (BTW, we're
- 3.0.)
-
- Finally, are there any hacked versions of ntp that deal with Kerberos on
- the peer level? Xntp3 implements a form of authentication but this form
- is less manageable across our WAN than something that uses Kerberos.
- Kerberos and ntp seems like an ugly mix.
-
- --
- Dennis P. Glatting / Sr. Technical Manager / Trirex Systems Inc.
- 315 Post Road West / Westport, Connecticut 06880 / (203)221-4600
- dennis_glatting@trirex.com (NeXTmail Ok)
- Member League for Programming Freedom
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