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- From: FZC@CU.NIH.GOV ("Paul Robinson, Contractor")
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- Subject: The VAX Vacuum
- Message-ID: <9301040153.AA20250@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>
- Date: 4 Jan 93 01:44:44 GMT
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- The issue of the VAX vacuum vs. VAX computers and the
- trademark isn't significant except to the extent Digital
- might have wanted to sell their computer in the same
- countries as that other company had been selling vacuums.
-
- Until last year, in the U.S. a trademark/servicemark is owned
- ONLY by the first party to USE it in a particular country. This
- meant that legally, if DEC had used VAX in the U.S. before that
- other company used the term for its vacuum cleaners in the U.S.,
- it could prevent that company from selling vacuums under that
- name in the U.S. It does not matter that someone was selling
- under that name earlier in the U.K.; only the first user in a
- particular country has first rights to the mark.
-
- Recently, the U.S. went to a limited "first to file" which gives
- someone ownership of a mark based on filing an application, and
- they then have six months to actually use the mark, or to renew
- the intent to use application, which they are permitted to do
- for up to three years. But their filing won't mean anything if
- someone else was, before they filed, actually using the mark in
- the United States.
-
- And first to file has problems too. A U.S. soldier during World
- War II was kind of bored while on leave in various countries, so
- he filed trademark applications in the various countries he
- visited for some well-known U.S. products. Those countries had
- "first to file" laws, i.e. whoever registers a mark owns the mark
- even if they never use it.
-
- When the original owners of these marks started to export into
- these foreign countries, they were stopped by customs at the
- border, because someone else - that serviceman - owned the mark
- in that country, and they were infringing on his registered
- mark(s)! This probably caused some nasty scenes and possibly
- some of these companies either paid off the serviceman or paid
- off the legislature(s) in these countries, but it shows what
- happens when someone else gets there first.
-
- Donald Trump is in a mess of trouble because he named his casino
- "The Taj Mahal" after knowing that a guy who owns a restaurant
- in Washington, DC, had already registered the identical mark for
- his restaurant with the Patent and Trademark office. Now this
- restaurant owner is suing Trump over servicemark infringement.
-
- There is probably no chance of confusing the two; the court might
- decide that the PTO was wrong and allow Trump's organization to
- register the identical mark and restrict him to use in the New
- York/New Jersey/Connecticut area. They may decide that the mark
- should not have been used and order it changed. Or the
- restauranteur may get smart and take a few hundred thousand to
- sell his mark to the Trump people. But they (the Trump people)
- should have known better than to try and use an identical
- registered mark; he could suffer worse as the courts might
- impose punitive damages because of his arrogance.
-
- Suffice to say that a mark is only protected in the countries
- where registered or used depending on local law. Use or
- registration in another country is irrelevant except to give
- someone the right to use date of registration in another country
- on an application filed here. VAX being used in the U.K. would
- have been irrelevant to the use of the term in the U.S.
-
- Probably since the vacuum company wanted to sell here that they
- made an agreement over the term, or possibly DEC might have
- decided it would want to sell VAX computers in the U.K.
- ---
- Paul Robinson -- TDARCOS@MCIMAIL.COM
- These opinions are mine alone
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