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- From: gezelter@rlgsc.com
- Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
- Subject: Courtesy and Civility
- Message-ID: <1993Jan1.114605.303@rlgsc.com>
- Date: 1 Jan 93 16:46:05 GMT
- Organization: Robert Gezelter Software Consultant, Flushing, NY
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- In the last few months, there have been a series of "flame wars"
- among the readers and contributors to this newsgroup. Recently,
- some people have commented that they "enjoyed" watching people be
- "flamed". I am unable to adequately describe my feelings on
- people "enjoying" watching others getting "flamed" (That is, I
- cannot comment without making some very strong comments, which
- are better left unsaid).
-
- These "flame wars" have generally involved postings made by two
- groups: novices and non-native English speakers.
-
- In both cases, the "flames" have involved a variety of rude, and,
- in some cases, obscene, electronic speech.
-
- In dealing with either group of participants, there is no need or
- justification for the use of insults and obscenities by any
- respondent, whether this is their first "response" to a query, or
- the 100th response on this particular day.
-
- I have consulted, taught, and spoken both in the United States
- and internationally in Canada, Europe, Asia, and Africa. Since my
- birth, I have lived in New York, an international business
- center. I have lived, studied, and worked with people from all
- over the world. Some of these people have spoken English (or
- should I say American) as well as any native of the US, while
- others have been, shall we say, much less fluent.
-
- In any event, international forums require sensitivity to other
- peoples' languages and cultures. For example, in the US, many people,
- particularly those in the computing field, are accustomed to informality,
- particularly the use of first names. In other countries and cultures,
- such unsolicited informality is considered to be in extremely poor taste.
-
- Etiquette is also taken more seriously outside the US. The use of
- insults and obscenity in a "professional" forum is generally seen
- as "unprofessional", "uneducated", and "uncivilized" conduct.
-
- All questioners deserve common courtesy. All of us were novices
- at one time. What seems an obvious question to an "expert" is
- often not obvious to the person asking the question (If you
- think that I am joking, just ask your physician. Doctors the
- world over have no shortage of experience with this particular
- problem).
-
- In general, I would like to suggest that people excercise
- courtesy and self control with regard to their choice of
- phrasing.
-
- There are two sides to what I ask of my peers in the
- comp.os.vms/INFO-VAX community.
-
- When you post questions, please try to include as much relevant
- information as possible, including small, yet complete, examples
- and descriptions. Posters should make sure that they include a
- complete, usable, E-mail address, as some components of the news
- distribution mechanism are known to damage reply addresses.
-
- People who choose to "Reply" to postings should avoid offensive
- remarks. If you find that a question is so offensive that you
- cannot respond politely and constructively, then ignore the
- question. There is no reason to respond publicly (or privately)
- with insults and obscenities.
-
- Along these lines, please note that the newsgroup dissemination
- of articles depends, to a significant degree, on the correct
- functioning of many systems. Many people are also only able to
- access the newsgroups via Guest accounts provided as a courtesy
- by friends. These reliability and access problems mean that many
- people request replies by E-mail. This should not be considered
- as impolite.
-
- I wish everybody in the comp.os.vms/INFO-VAX community a happy
- and healthy year in 1993.
-
- - Bob
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