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- Subject: Re: Flaming and Such
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- From: jms@carat.arizona.edu (A virtually vegetal non-entity)
- Date: 30 Dec 1992 12:05 MST
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- In article <725616013.AA00000@blkcat.UUCP>, Paul.Robinson@f417.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Robinson) writes...
-
- >I for one am getting goddamn sick and tired of listening to all the
- >flaming and criticism of people. If you don't like someone's comments,
- >do us *all* a favor and do it through E-Mail. If someone says something
- >totally stupid, *please* don't waste bandwidth to tell people that
- >they said something stupid; tell *them*.
- >
- >Maybe you don't like someone asking for a piece of information in
- >a way that - in your opinion - they should know the information or
- >know how to find it. It is *not necessarily* a criminal offense for
- >someone not to know a critical piece of information related to their
- >work in question:
-
- [examples of people having problems at work/school/home which justifies
- them failing to do their own research and screaming for wild help from
- comp.os.vms instead]
-
- Well, I'll reply to that one.
-
- There was a time---and it was not too long ago---when I read every
- single message on comp.os.vms. At that time, the volume was in the
- 10 to 20 messages per day range. I was also able to take the time
- to respond to messages, and learned a lot from the entire experience.
- I even wrote the first comp.os.vms FAQ.
-
- Over the past 9 months, comp.os.vms has become a high-volume, high-noise,
- low-quality newgroup. This stems, in a large part, from the type of
- question which Mssrs. Lydick and Gavron (and others) are taking exception
- to. This makes comp.os.vms, for all intents and purposes, useless to
- me. This makes me angry, because I see that a bunch of rank amateurs with
- problems (such as you've described) running to comp.os.vms to get simple
- solutions, wasting everybody's time but their own---which may already have
- been whittled away by inefficient problem-solving techniques.
-
- I think that the flames you see are the result of this anger. In fact,
- when someone who hasn't contributed information to the general pool
- responds to the flames by saying "leave me off," I think that the flames
- have actually accomplished their goal: reducing the number of readers of
- comp.os.vms.
-
- Fortunately, there are other avenues for non-amateurs to do problem solving
- and sharing, such as the vmsnet hierarchy. Personally, I'm glad that
- vmsnet doesn't have a wide distribution, because its signal-to-noise ratio
- is about as good as it ever gets on Usenet. I find it an incredibly useful
- tool for learning about VMS and related products.
-
- As it is, comp.os.vms looks like the confused advising the incompetent. I
- predict that, unless the volume goes down and the quality goes up, the
- expertise of answerers, and therefore questioners, will continue to decline
- until it reaches some entropic noise level above absolute zero.
-
- So the purpose of this message? Well, it serves only to make me feel
- better. Because the worst question-askers, the ones who inspire the
- greatest flame-fest responses, are not regular readers of the group, and
- whatever good advice I (or Arne, or Carl, or anyone) can give about how to
- ask questions simply won't be seen by the inconsiderate and idiotic folk
- who see "comp.os.vms" and immediately dive in without testing the waters.
-
- To return to the original post:
-
- >Can we have a little less flaming around here?
-
- Why? I see no incentive for the flamers, who enjoy their rhetorical
- compositions, to cease. Can you provide one?
-
- Joel M Snyder, 1103 E Spring Street, Tucson, AZ, 85719
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- Yow! It's a hole all the way to downtown Burbank!
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