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- From: DEREK@U.WASHINGTON.EDU
- Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
- Subject: Re: MOVE for Vms anywhere ?
- Message-ID: <A798DF4E28FF203CC8@MAX.U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
- Date: 24 Dec 92 00:24:00 GMT
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- Well, as near as I can tell, Oscar van Eijk started this thread with a
- subject of "MOVE for VMS anywhere", and a short, 1 line message...
-
- > If anybody knows where to find such a program, please let me know at
- > nl0242t@nlzcl.decnet.philips.nl
-
-
- Several "answers" were posted. Carl J Lydick made one suggestion,
- which another poster derided because his answer was "wrong". Carl then
- wrote:
-
- >The original question was not well-posed, since the querant didn't
- >bother to tell us exactly what this "MOVE" command was supposed to do.
-
- To which Oscar van Eijk replied:
-
- >I doubt that; till now you're the only one who didn't seem to
- >understand that.
-
- Supporting Carl's statement, Dr. Kenneth H. Fairfield writes:
-
- > Not true. I didn't understand (I'm not proud, I'll admit it ;-),
- >and I sent a note to the orignal poster _asking_ for clarification.
- >NONE was forthcoming, either privately or to the net, and THIS is
- >what we get: a seemlessly endless thread dealing with a fairly
- >trivial query because the respondants can't quite figure out what was
- >originally being asked...
- >
- > It's one thing when "querants" don't post a summary, it's another
- >when they don't even respond to (polite) private messages. At that
- >point, I say screw 'em.
-
- Finally, Oscar wrote:
-
- >What I was looking for was a MOVE command that works like a Unix 'move'
- >command.
-
-
- What can we learn from from those interchanges? Several things. To begin
- with, we should all realize that each person has a different computing
- background. Some of us live in VMS-only shops. Some grew up with
- some flavor of Unix, or NOS, or DOS, or... Our histories will, of course,
- color the way we interpret the postings we see.
-
- Insufficient detail was proivided in the original posting for everyone to
- know exactly what was desired (or to know that they didn't know the
- answer). I'm sure that Oscar thought he was being clear enough, but I
- wasn't sure what he was asking for. Why? To begin with, "MOVE" isn't a
- Unix command. In fact, I don't know of ANY system which has a "MOVE"
- command. On our VMS systems, however, we have a MOVE command procedure
- which performs a SET DEFAULT. (You MOVE up and down and all around in
- your directory tree, right?) Did Oscar use our systems in the past
- ten years? I don't know.
-
- Oscar's assertion that no one else misunderstood his intent is, IMHO,
- simply wrong. I believe that there are more than 100 people who read
- this newsgroup. I'll wager that a very small percentage of the readers
- ever post or write to those who post. We've got to remember that
- reading minds is a very difficult task.
-
- I think that Dr. Fairfield's comments should NOT go unnoticed. A lot of
- bandwidth has been wasted because Oscar wasn't clear in his first posting.
- (Yes, I know, I am contributing to the waste. (And to my waist, too, but
- that's another story.)) I, too, have sent private E-Mail to a poster
- only to have it ignored. Perhaps the poster solved his/her problem. A
- brief reponse is, I believe, in order.
-
- Sometimes I wonder if these non-responders have too big of an ego to
- respond to those "imbeciles who can't understand my questions!" If that's
- your problem, back up four paragrphs and re-read the paragraph again
- and again until you understand it. :)
-
- Is there any humor here? Yeah, I think so. Carl is going to have to
- watch out for the fake posting asking how to fix the newmail counter
- on this unix machine by using the ls command, or something even more
- absurd.
-
- [EOL]
-
- -Derek S. Haining
- University Computing Services
- University of Washington
- Seattle, Washington 98195
- (206) 543-5579
-
- DEREK@MAX.BITNET
- DEREK@MAX.U.WASHINGTON.EDU
-
- [EOL] == End of Lecture. :)
-
-