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- From: magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto)
- Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
- Subject: Re: Why no ANSI C compiler?
- Message-ID: <9212309191@drktowr.chi.il.us>
- Date: 31 Dec 92 11:41:25 GMT
- References: <921227490@rwsys.wimsey.bc.ca>
- Organization: DarkTower Software
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- Superuser (root@rwsys.wimsey.bc.ca) wrote:
- : I agree with you, Louis, but I think things are going to
- : change. Here's why:
-
- I thought about it some more, and I agree with you on most of your
- points.
-
- : 1. Coherent seems to be on a fast track into a fully
- : capable os suitable for biz.
-
- Right!
-
- : 2. Dos is < $100, and yet compilers sell for much more than the os.
- : If people think there is some advantage to the more expensive compiler,
- : they'll probably buy it.
-
- Well, DOS IMHO is worth far less than $100 (or even $50 -- more like $25),
- but the return from writing a marketable DOS app is incredible if it
- takes off. I bought Borland C++ full setup which cost me >$500, but
- that's because DJGCC (DOS protected mode GCC) couldn't do MS-Windows
- and Borland is what we use for class.
-
- Right now Unix is a smaller (but growing very fast) market compared to
- DOS simply because DOS is loaded onto the machines. If people were
- forced to learn Unix, it would be the other way around.
-
- I guess my argument falls to the point everyone keeps bringing up:
- If you are doing development (especially commercial) on that platform,
- $250 or more is a drop in the bucket compared to the possible return.
-
- So I'll admit I was wrong :(
-
- : 3. I believe that the market for 3rd party stuff for Coherent
- : has yet to take shape. There is a need for a forum where 3rd
- : parties can advertise. As far as I can tell, the net is the only
- : effective way to reach any substantial numbers Coherent users.
- : With the 'netiqeutte' demands for no ads, it must be really hard
- : to get a Coherent application to market. A forum will emerge
- : because there will be advertiser demand.
-
- Or, MWC can forward the users addresses (**upon request by the user**) to
- companies who are developing Coherent apps. I wouldn't mind this. Computer
- junk mail I actually like getting just so I know what's out there.
- :
- : 4. With the addition of X and TCP/IP "set for early '93", Coherent
- : will reach a position of competing with most USL systems in capability.
-
- Yeah, it will make it a more viable development platform.
-
- : 5. Applications written for sysV can be ported to Coh in a flash with
-
- Ok, I think I agree with this one as well.
-
- : 6. The coff compatibility means that there will be no need for
- : big application shops to port anything. The USL binaries should
- : simply run on Coherent right out of the box. Your lotus/dbase/wordperfect
- : crowd will have their cake at less cost per seat than dos. This
- : will remove an obstacle for Coherent.. the lack of applications.
-
- Yes and no. There is still a problem with library compatibility that needs
- to be cleared up first. But in general I agree with you.
-
- : 7. A strong marketing blitz from MWC after X & TCP/IP are stable
- : could explode sales.
-
- I agree, but that would take a fair chunk of change that I'm not so
- sure MWC has right now. I found out about Coherent in Dr. Dobb's
- Journal, but if MWC advertised in say PC magazine, I think that would
- be good too. It seems that most of their ads are in Unix/Tech magz,
- but I bet a lot of people would buy it if they knew about it. I would've
- bought it a lot sooner, but I bought Minix first since I heard about
- Minix before Coherent. I still use Minix for hacking kernel source,
- (and now some Linux), but the point is I didn't know about Coh until
- I got Dr. Dobb's which wasn't for a while until after I got my computer.
-
- The other thing which would be great is a PS/2 version. As a PS/2 owner,
- I can tell you first hand that we're dying for reasonably priced software
- and hardware that works on our machines. Coherent could make a bunch of
- money for MWC (IMHO) if they did a PS/2 version. I had to wait a year
- to buy it because I had to buy a ISA computer to run it on. (yes, I
- bought a $2000 computer for a $99 OS). Even if they charged $150 for
- the PS/2 version, people would buy it I bet.
- :
- : I highly doubt that MWC is set up to distribute to small stores all
- : over the world; that's not what I'm getting at. Just that Coherent is
- : taking off in the market place. Attention is coming in circles
- : not usually associated with unix-like operating systems. These
- : circles are more of 'mass' market than unix enjoys and the potential
- : for Coherent seems incredible (IMHO).
-
- Again, I agree 100%.
-
- So I guess after thinking about all this, I've changed my mind
- and there is a place for more expensive development tools. Now
- how big a place at this moment I don't know, but I agree it will
- get bigger.
-
- -Louis
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