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- From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley)
- Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
- Subject: Re: Return-Receipt-To & forwarding...
- Date: 2 Jan 1993 05:07:00 GMT
- Organization: Oregon State University, College of Oceanography
- Lines: 62
- Message-ID: <1i37tlINN61p@gaia.ucs.orst.edu>
- NNTP-Posting-Host: skyking.oce.orst.edu
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- In article <davecb.725923251@yorku.ca> davecb@nexus.yorku.ca (David Collier-Brown) writes:
- > Your mail may be unreliable, but mine isn't: mine uses SMTP,
-
- Your mail travels via SMTP from originator to recipient? All the time?
- The entire path? You have proof of this, I assume. Or are you making
- it up as you go along?
-
- >If the mail doesn't
- >get there, I know about it because I'm doing end-to-end positive handoffs.
-
- You may think you are from your misreading of the RFC's (and misapplying
- them to systems they don't apply to), but you have no guarantee of this.
- You have no control over the mail software that your mail passes through
- once it leaves your site.
-
- Even should this be true, here is a very real instance of mail being
- sent and nothing being received as an error:
-
- I send mail to a system that is down.
-
- Three days go by...
-
- The far end sends an error.
-
- In the intervening three
- days, however, the disk controller of my mailhost lets the
- smoke out of one of the smoke containers. Being Christmas Eve,
- it isn't fixed for four days.
-
- Did the mail I sent get through? No.
- Did I get an error response? No.
- Has this ever happened? Yes.
- Do I treat mail as being reliable? Ha. Ha.
-
- >Unless you use proprietary PC mailers, your mail uses RFC822 as a
- >format standard,
-
- Really? There are NO other networks than the PC ones that pay no
- attention to RFC822? You must not get out much.
-
- > And the number of **formally unreliable** mailers can be counted
-
- There is a considerable difference between "formal" unreliability and
- real world behaviour. Or are you unfamiliar with the term "bug"?
-
- >on the fingers of a one-fingered man's hand. Alas, he's growing more
- >fingers as we speak, due to the existance of erroniously specificed and
- >designed PC mail programs.
-
- You seem to have some strange idea that mail never failed to get through
- before PC's were invented. You would gain a much broader view of the
- world if you would remove these blinders.
-
- >if skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU is losing mail, you should speak to your
- >postmaster: you're on the internet too.
-
- I know you meant it as a red herring, trying to deflect the discussion
- from your ridiculous claims about mail reliability, by it is rather
- telling. If you really thought that mail was "reliable" then how could
- skyking be losing it? Your accusation that skyking is losing mail is in
- reality the admission that mail is NOT reliable.
-
-