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- From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley)
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- Subject: Re: Return-Receipt-To & forwarding...
- Date: 3 Jan 1993 02:15:01 GMT
- Organization: Oregon State University, College of Oceanography
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- In article <davecb.726014848@yorku.ca> davecb@nexus.yorku.ca (David Collier-Brown) writes:
- > Mr. Stanley is raving mad (in the sense of angry,
-
- I am?
-
- >not insane,
-
- Thanks. Is your psychology or psychiatry degree available for perusal on
- the net somewhere, or are you making THAT up, too?
-
- >but also consider fingering him and making up your own mind)
-
- What could fingering me have to do with how reliable mail isn't? It is,
- however, proof that finger is not a reliable method of determining
- whether mail has or hasn't arrived and whether someone has or hasn't
- read it.
-
- >and is arguing events which may well have taken place somewhere, some time.
-
- Are you accusing me of lieing?
-
- >They are seriously unusual and do not justify the establishment of the
- >return receipt mechanism.
-
- Would you please show me where I claimed ANYWHERE that it did?
-
- > York is the second-largest and second-cheapest university in Canada,
- >and one of our three main mailhubs processes between 100 and 200
- >thousand messages per month (see below).
-
- That's nice. Also irrelevant.
-
- [lots of irrelevant x's deleted]
-
- > It is a rare event and a major concern when messages go missing or
- >unanswered in a given month: my job depends on the reliable operation
- >of SMTP.
-
- Wake up, Dave. SMTP is not reliable. The RFC that defines the protocol
- has the goal of making it so, but real world implementations are hardly
- reliable. And, here is something that might surprise you, the entire
- world does not use SMTP. There are plenty-o-places where mail passes
- over non-SMTP links.
-
- > If memory serves, we had about three panics (searches for missing
- >messages) last year, out of 1.8m+. That still makes my blood run cold...
-
- That's nice. Too bad that your users aren't educated enough about the
- lack of reliability of mail that they would panic when a piece gets
- lost. Of course, maybe more than three pieces got lost, and nobody but
- those three people (one person three times?) got bent out of shape about
- it because they knew how the real world works?
-
-