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- From: rick@ricksys.lonestar.org (Richard McCombs)
- Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
- Subject: Re: Offline Readers
- Message-ID: <921230.041944.4N8.rusnews.w165w@ricksys.lonestar.org>
- Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 04:19:44 CST
- References: <FDyDwB1w165w@fennec.com> <S0XPrAiHBh107h@mala.proteus.qc.ca> <iBmPrAeNBh107h@Birdsong.Suvl.CA.US> <921228.020445.1P0.rusnews.w164w@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>
- Organization: The Red Headed League; Lawton, Ok
- X-Newsreader: rusnews v0.97
- Lines: 111
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- russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz) writes:
-
- > larry@Birdsong.Suvl.CA.US writes:
- [...]
- >> Maybe I miss the point of what you had in mind for an "offline mail and new
- > s
- >> reader". If it is not Waffle itself, then what is it?
- >
- > [I've talked about this in mail with people, some who've agreed, some who
- > haven't, but I want a larger group in on the debate]
- >
- > to continue this thought, please compare for me: (everyone, not just Larry)
- >
- > QWK (which I've never used, but have had to read a lot about)
-
- I used it a little, but mostly for non-usenet stuff.
-
- >
- > uucp+rnews (which I _use_ for my offline newsreading!)
- >
- > keep in mind I don't care about reading stuff off a local PCBo[ar][re]d
- > system - I want to read usenet.
- >
- > batching
- >
- > QWK:
- > you dial in, select articles, wait for them to be batched and compressed,
- > then download. is there an option to just grab everything new? prob'ly.
-
- Yeah but you have to call a bbs every day or maybe every other manually,
- or set up a bullet-proof script and hope that the sysop doesn't change
- anything to break you script for a while (I have enough trouble with my
- scripts that just log me in, much less try to automatically get a QWK
- door to batch my messages.
- >
- > uucp+rnews:
- > done when you're NOT logged in, and ready when you get there.
- [..]
- > my reading habits typical, grossly atypical, or what (by not killing
- > 90% of the articles)?
-
- I agree. If I can even be gone a day or two and if I have the disk
- space I can catch up when I get back, If I was calling a BBS and using
- an offline reader I'd stand a chance of missing something because it
- expired or I was limited to 100 messages a call (or some arbitary
- number.)
- >
- > I've seen people claim that this approach _requires_ frequent polling to
- > prevent filling up the feed's disk. it'd be easy enough to have a program
-
- Depends on how news you get and what is considered frequent; at least
- once a day is reasonable.
- >
- > Usenet headers
- >
- > QWK:
- > har har! Subject: uppercase mangling, limited to 25 chars, etc.
- > - but there are packages now that attempt to put the headers _inside_
- > the text, right? thus preventing any checks on them as headers until
- > it's too late...
-
- Can you crosspost with a QWK? probably not.
- >
- > uucp+rnews:
- > correct, by definition (if only this were true of newsreaders...) :-)
- > and at least, by using different keys to send public (`f') and private
- > (`r' or `m') replies, you don't get as many accidents (I'd hope) where
- > people post one-liner `thanks's. I claim nothing about `me too'.
-
- Can a QWK reader be made to obey a "Followup-to: poster"?
- >
- > Ease of installation
- >
- > QWK:
- > one executable - put in your bbs' phone number and your login name/
- > password - if that? help me out here - what kind of directories will
- > it make/use etc.
- Some use a work directory under the main one and some a directory for
- each system with a directory under that for each message area and it may
- keep the "exploded" messages on the disk until you say you are done with
- them where the others will clean up the work directory and save the last
- read pointers in the archive incase you want to finish reading later.
-
- > uucp+rnews:
- > the later you install waffle, the easier it is. is everyone just
- > remembering the pain of their first-ever install? mine was
- [...]
- > I use a tiny fraction of the full waffle package, because I am not
- > running a bbs - it's just me here. and it's just ain't that tough!
-
- How you could get rnews to work with only one directory?
- >
- >
- > Ease of use
- >
- > QWK:
- > you tell me
- Well maybe anyone could get it to work (varies with the reader.)
-
- >
- > uucp+rnews:
- > again, you tell me. if I thought waffle was perfect, I wouldn't've
- > written rusnews. but by now we should have interfaces for every
-
- I'd say you need to be a medium-grade hacker to get waffle up and
- running. I got it to work with little or no help.
-
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