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- From: torben@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Random Tox)
- Subject: Re: BBS wars - a plea
- Message-ID: <BzLLL8.2Au@nic.umass.edu>
- Summary: Telegard's Legit, so the WWIV kids can shut up! Whee!
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- Organization: The Durex Blender Corporation
- References: <1992Dec11.023518.24465@sol.UVic.CA> <Bz3qKF.EH7@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> <1992Dec17.221730.1866@lub001.lamar.edu>
- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 07:17:31 GMT
- Lines: 75
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- In article <1992Dec17.221730.1866@lub001.lamar.edu> lairdpg@lub001.lamar.edu writes:
- >In article <Bz3qKF.EH7@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:
- >> In article <1992Dec11.023518.24465@sol.UVic.CA> ndenux@engr.UVic.CA writes:
- >>
- >
- >> Telegard's a hack of WWIV. Anyone who uses it is indirectly supporting theft
- >> of code. Even if Telegard is a good program, it should be avoided for
- >> ethical reasons.
-
- Fool. Telegard was a hack of WWIV about 4 years ago. Version 2.5
- was so different that it can't count as a hack, although it devinately
- evolved from one, and in the source code of older versions 1.9, or so, you
- can see remnants and traces of WWIV-type code.
- Telegard 2.7 is perfectly legitimate, coding from the ground up in
- C by Martin Pollard, and runs smooth and fast. Remember, Marty was not the
- one who originally "hacked" WWIV anyway. Way back when, when Eric Oman
- hacked away at a very crappy version of WWIV, he basically did some
- limited renaming, and then did some upgrading (sorely needed) Telegard
- began to evolve, and Martin Pollard joined in, and did some work on it and
- eventually took the project over when Oman tired of it.
- Telegard is *FREE* software. In the past and Now. Marty has quit
- working on it because he was getting literally nothing from his work. No
- support, even from the dedicated sysops who run it. Telegard is a very
- attractive and powerful BBS package that blows away systems like Wildcat!
- i haven't seen the latest release of Wildcat!, but its previous boasts of
- security and configurability and power are pathetic wheezings next to
- telegard, which is very secure, especially in the new 2.7.
-
- >I even understand that there will be no future releases of Telegard from
- >Martin Pollard? Also, there are several sources you can obtain the source code
- >for Telegard 2.5 and greater. There is reportedly (hearsay cause I haven't
- >actually saw it) that a later version contains a trojan and some local sysop
- >who got greedy to get ahead of the other Telegard Sysops went and downloaded it
- >from Rust and Eddies BBS (somewhere in Florida) and it did the wild thing.. on
- >his drive.
-
- Supposedly. Again, hearsay. Renegade BBS evolved from (and is
- still a blatant hack/ripoff of) Telegard 2.5k.
-
- >For a long time Telegard and TAGBBS ( a ligit - produced code and also a later
- >re-write of WWIV) went at it head and toes. Seemed that most the kiddies in
- >town ran Telegard as opposed to TAG or commercial software for some reason.
- >I guess that might relate to "Hacker Wars". Ask Marty Pollard about the user
- >who uploaded a "Logoff.Bat" file with a little documented feature of DSZ to
- >his BBS directory and nearly did the wild thing on him! Since... That feature
- >was fixed by using the DSZ 'Restrict' command, restricting uploaded files to
- >the upload directory and not the path sent by the remote hook-up.
-
- Also, that feature was fixed by the release of Telegard 2.7 which
- now allows the sysop to turn off the system batch files. This is in fact
- the default. You'd have to be silly these days to get caught by that anyway.
-
- >When security counts, Telegard doesn't! Telegard anyone? His next software,
- >which is scheduled to be Marty-Gard, well I never saw it.
-
- Read the above. Telegard has good security, and now has even
- better security.
-
- MartyGard was the project name for Telegard 2.7. Telegard 2.7 is
- coded ground up in C, and is beautiful. It will no longer be supported,
- but an upgrade package is coming out soonish that will do a final bugfix
- on tg 2.7 and add a feature or two, and that'll be it.
-
- Telegard 2.7 is out, and FTP-able from SIMTEL-20.
-
- >-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
- >My opinions only! lairdpg@lub001.lamar.edu
-
- I hope so... otherwise Telegard will get an even worse name. It
- has been long stuck with the label of "k-RaddDd!! PiRAyTE BBss1!!z!!1!!"
- (sort of) because of what happened 5 years ago. 5 years kid. Even WWIV
- improved in 5 years... really. And WWIV is still *ugly*!
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