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- From: dmanke@sanjuan (Dennis Manke)
- Subject: Re: UI Benfits Cut
- Message-ID: <1992Dec25.231509.27681@sol.UVic.CA>
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- Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria B.C. CANADA
- References: <Bzpo3x.E4u@mach1.wlu.ca> <1992Dec23.235045.5253@sol.UVic.CA> <1992Dec24.143318.4952@mongrel.UUCP>
- Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 23:15:09 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec24.143318.4952@mongrel.UUCP> amdunn@mongrel.UUCP (Andrew M. Dunn) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec23.235045.5253@sol.UVic.CA> dmanke@sanjuan (Dennis Manke) writes:
- >>
- >>Why should taxes rise? Currently there is a whole lot of people
- >>(self employed) who get away without paying for UIC which as you
- >>have recognized is a welfare system and not an insurance.
- >>
- >>If UIC where really UIC and the welfare aspect was
- >>funded through general revenue, then you would pay a ***LOT***
- >>less in premiums and probably less in taxes (if you believe there
- >>won't be a tax grab) since it would get rid of the loop hole that
- >>self employed people have (they would pay their fare share for the
- >>welfare part + if they elected, they would pay for UIC in some
- >>appropriate insurance bracket that covers in total their risk).
- ***=======================***
- ^
- |
- (I thought I had answered your question below)
- It should be funded entirely this way - NO subsidies from gen. rev.
-
- Also, to clarify - training (the welfare aspect of UIC) would be
- brought under gen. gov. programs. My guess is that taxes would go up
- since UIC currently subsidizes this. However, since everyone will be
- paying the extra tax (no exclusion as under the current system), then
- the net payout by people who currently pay UIC should be less.
-
- Personally I think this part should be mostly (exclusively?) funded by
- taxes on employers (an education tax similar to France).
- Those employers investing in education of their employees get their
- investment back (up to the amount they were taxed) - those who don't,
- loose it (there's a lot who would fall into the 2nd category).
-
- >
- >Why would it reduce the cost? If it were really UIC, as you suggest,
- >and self-employed people paid UI premiums, they'd be entitled to
- >claim benefits if they became unemployed. Which probably happens more
- >often to self-employed people than to others.
- >
- >
- >
- >--
- >:-------------------------------------------------------------------------:
- >: Andy Dunn <amdunn@mongrel.UUCP> or <dunn5177@mach1.WLU.CA> :
- >: "AT&T thinks Usenet is an Underground organization" - are we really? :
- >:-------------------------------------------------------------------------:
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