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- From: schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck)
- Subject: Re: Meat eaters
- Message-ID: <schuck.725064925@sfu.ca>
- Sender: news@sfu.ca
- Reply-To: Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca
- Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
- References: <1gm3gpINNmuq@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> <schuck.724481107@sfu.ca> <BUHR.92Dec21153759@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 22:55:25 GMT
- Lines: 80
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- buhr@umanitoba.ca (Kevin Andrew Buhr) writes:
-
- >In article <schuck.724481107@sfu.ca> schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce
- >Jonathan Schuck) writes:
- >>
- >> leffler@physics.ubc.ca (Steve Leffler ) writes:
- >>
- >> > Has it occurred to anyone that if everyone gave up eating meat,
- >> >certain domesticated species of animal--particularly cows and
- >> >chickens--would very rapidly become endangered species? These
- >> >animals have been modified far too much by selective breeding to
- >> >survive in the wild now.
- >>
- >> Thats an interesting point. If everyone gave up eating beef tomorrow,
- >> all the beef farmers/ranchers would kill their herd off within a
- >> matter of days because they aren't into keeping cattle as pets.
-
- >You're avoiding the issue. The meat industry is not static: the
- >public demand for animal food products is a force that encourages the
- >continued domestication of animals for food purposes. By eating meat
- >(even the domesticated cow), you are setting the precedent that using
- >animals for food is okay.
-
- Precedent? I always thought the precedent for eating meat was that we
- evolved as meat eaters *and* vegetation eaters.
-
- Do you really mean to imply human beings are meat eaters because *I*
- go out and buy a steak or a cheeseburger?
-
- > Hence, there is little moral pressure
- >against the domestication of fish, the proliferation of game parks,
-
- Why should there be? Should we also round up all the predators in
- nature and tell them to stop eating meat too?
-
- >etc. Besides which it is not a giant ethical leap from eating cows to
- >wearing mink, and the mink is not domesticated.
-
- Ever heard of ranch mink? How about fine corinthian leather?
-
-
- >> I ask the vegetarians out there:
- >>
- >> Is it better to have never lived at all, never to have chewed grass
- >> and dropped cow patties all over the place under a clear blue sky,
- >> never to have got it on with another cow/bull, never sucked milk from
- >> it's mothers teat, never ran as fast as a cows four legs can run,
- >> and never been born,
-
- >Possibly. Personally, I would rather not live at all than live as
- >someone's property. If you feel differently, bully for you.
-
- There are no *wild* cows anymore.
-
- >> I ask those questions, because thats the choice, there is no inbetween.
-
- >Yes there is an in-between. You can eat the occasional hamburger,
- >wear leather shoes, but avoid eating shark steak and wearing arctic
- >fox coats. You can also encourage the humane treatment of meat
- >cattle, to help the industry reality begin to approach the quaint,
- >idyllic scenes you paint.
-
- I think the cattle industry is humane, depsite waht some of the
- vegetarian loonies keep claiming.
-
- >Of course, you haven't even started to consider the fabulous
- >egological inefficiencies you encourage with your meat-eating
- >behaviour. This argument can't be dealt with by a "Happy Cow"
- >theory.
-
- >For your information, I eat meat, and I don't fault you for doing so,
- >but if you really believe the stuff you posted, you haven't taken a
- >realistic look at the vegetarians' argument.
-
- I take them as seriously as breatharians.
-
- People who claim to be *more* eithical than I am because they chose a
- tofu burger over a cheeseburger have to back it up with proof.
- They haven't offered any.
-
-