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- From: buhr@umanitoba.ca (Kevin Andrew Buhr)
- Subject: Re: Meat eaters
- In-Reply-To: schuck@fraser.sfu.ca's message of Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:45:07 GMT
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- Organization: University of Manitoba, Canada
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- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:37:59 GMT
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- In article <schuck.724481107@sfu.ca> schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce
- Jonathan Schuck) writes:
- >
- > leffler@physics.ubc.ca (Steve Leffler ) writes:
- >
- > > Has it occurred to anyone that if everyone gave up eating meat,
- > >certain domesticated species of animal--particularly cows and
- > >chickens--would very rapidly become endangered species? These
- > >animals have been modified far too much by selective breeding to
- > >survive in the wild now.
- >
- > Thats an interesting point. If everyone gave up eating beef tomorrow,
- > all the beef farmers/ranchers would kill their herd off within a
- > matter of days because they aren't into keeping cattle as pets.
-
- You're avoiding the issue. The meat industry is not static: the
- public demand for animal food products is a force that encourages the
- continued domestication of animals for food purposes. By eating meat
- (even the domesticated cow), you are setting the precedent that using
- animals for food is okay. Hence, there is little moral pressure
- against the domestication of fish, the proliferation of game parks,
- etc. Besides which it is not a giant ethical leap from eating cows to
- wearing mink, and the mink is not domesticated.
-
- > I ask the vegetarians out there:
- >
- > Is it better to have never lived at all, never to have chewed grass
- > and dropped cow patties all over the place under a clear blue sky,
- > never to have got it on with another cow/bull, never sucked milk from
- > it's mothers teat, never ran as fast as a cows four legs can run,
- > and never been born,
-
- Possibly. Personally, I would rather not live at all than live as
- someone's property. If you feel differently, bully for you.
-
- > I ask those questions, because thats the choice, there is no inbetween.
-
- Yes there is an in-between. You can eat the occasional hamburger,
- wear leather shoes, but avoid eating shark steak and wearing arctic
- fox coats. You can also encourage the humane treatment of meat
- cattle, to help the industry reality begin to approach the quaint,
- idyllic scenes you paint.
-
- Of course, you haven't even started to consider the fabulous
- egological inefficiencies you encourage with your meat-eating
- behaviour. This argument can't be dealt with by a "Happy Cow"
- theory.
-
- For your information, I eat meat, and I don't fault you for doing so,
- but if you really believe the stuff you posted, you haven't taken a
- realistic look at the vegetarians' argument.
-
- Kevin <buhr@ccu.UManitoba.CA>
-