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- Newsgroups: can.domain
- Path: sparky!uunet!uunet.ca!smd
- From: smd@uunet.ca (Sean Doran)
- Subject: Re: can.domain
- References: <Bzy58H.Fux@uunet.ca> <381@unbc.edu> <C07r77.4ut@uunet.ca> <C081rA.Eu3@wimsey.bc.ca>
- Organization: UUNET Canada
- Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 15:43:17 GMT
- Message-ID: <C08H06.6xB@uunet.ca>
- Distribution: can
- Lines: 88
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- sl@wimsey.bc.ca (Stuart Lynne) writes:
-
- >In article <C07r77.4ut@uunet.ca> smd@uunet.ca (Sean Doran) writes:
- >>lyndon@unbc.edu (Lyndon Nerenberg) writes:
-
- >You can't get registered in .com or .us unless someone is willing to
- >support an MX for you.
-
- The only requirement for registration in .COM is that you provide at
- least two nameservers to be listed in the root zone. These are
- often checked for an SOA record these days. The NIC doesn't care
- about MX records or getting mail to work, nor should they.
-
- The US zone requires an MXer to be listed for subdomains that are
- directly managed by the US zone coordinators. They only require a
- pair of nameservers to be listed and running for delegated domains
- (see RFC 1386, which does some things well, and others badly).
-
- I don't like the idea of "artificial domains -- i.e., ones that won't
- work on the Internet because they aren't in the DNS -- any more than
- you do, but I do like the idea of domain place-holders being made
- available for organizations that are planning on future connectivity.
-
- There are also organizations which, because of geography or politics,
- simply cannot find an Internet mail-forwarder. There is at least one
- such subdomain in CA, and mail to them will work from pathalias-based
- UUCP-land, at least.
-
- >Explain why. The mechanism seems to work to produce standards for the IETF.
-
- Have you read any IETF mailing lists lately? The standards process is
- far from quick, and one could argue for hours about how good the
- standards produced really are.
-
- >But policy should be created by the users.
-
- Possibly. But then we would have to fight about who the users are,
- and who among them gets to define policy. The issues are not simple.
-
- >Yes. But we need a policy statement (i.e. guidelines) that are based on
- >the users requirements.
-
- Again, the requirements of which users? A policy statement based on
- the needs of UUNET would be different from a policy statement based on
- the needs of a small UUCP site, ONet, NetNorth or Wimsey. Someone has
- to take policy decisions at some point. If we have a committee of
- everyone (much like the current system) we could duke it out in
- private for eons. If we involve everyone who reads USENET, we could
- duke it out in public for eons, and end up with something much like
- news.groups.
-
- My feeling is that public comment is valuable, and being able to get
- our needs across to the Czar is a good thing. However, our needs
- should not drive the Czar's activities, nor bind her or him to an
- inflexible position that might cause problems for someone else.
-
- Can.domain is perhaps a useful vehicle for public bickering. A
- semipublic/semiprivate mailing list might be useful for some more
- detailed (and less heated) discussions about policy. However, neither
- one nor the other should "vote", and neither one nor the other should
- be considered a policy-making body. Policy should be made by the
- person who controls the nameservers for the top-level-domain.
-
- If the policy that person generates is bad, then we know who to blame,
- and can work at cutting that person off at the knees ("off with a
- head"). Such is responsible government. :)
-
- At the moment, it's difficult to tell whether to blame John Demco as
- the coordinator for CA-DOM for various gripes and problems, or the
- committee (and certain members of it) for presenting him with policy
- decisions he might not have made on his own. Given the secretiveness
- of the process and of the membership of the committee and
- mailing-list, it is hardly surprising that people are frustrated.
-
- I have yet to understand why the historical records of the
- deliberations of the CA-DOM committee haven't been made public. Could
- it be that some of the members of the committee might be a little
- embarassed by some of their comments in the past? Or is such openness
- something they would welcome?
-
- Perhaps we could start off with an explanation (for the benefit of
- people who don't know) of how the CA-DOM committee makes decisions,
- the draft copy of the new CA-DOM rules, and an introduction (again for
- the benefit of people who don't know who they are, which is
- practically everyone) of the members of the committee, and the
- official observers.
-
- Sean.
-