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- Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:01:50 CST
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- From: samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
- Subject: Re: inventing a label
- Lines: 51
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- >How is the respondent to know which intent the question had?
-
- By using one's knowledge about the questioner gained through
- acquaintance with the questioner. You can easily see that my
- question really was `what is it that causes "e-addiction"?'
- People have to use shorthand like I did in order to avoid
- interminable cross-talk acts. If I ask what causes objects
- more than 25 cms away from my eyes go blurry will you say
- "myopia"?
-
- Or more importantly, will you say "myopia" to everyone from a
- three year old to a professor emeritus in opthalmology?
-
-
- >Although I don't remember the details of that [native language] thread
- >now, I believe that I was talking about what some people use the label
- >"native language" for because you took issue with some people's use of
- >that label. What kinds of facts about language acquisition were you
- >looking for? I don't remember.
-
- OK. Let me repeat what I said then. I was asking what a GOOD definition
- of "native language" would be. You said that according to some people
- it was the language spoken before the child was three years old. Dead
- end. Or I have to spell out that I am asking for a good, useful definition
- which is motivated by known facts about language acquisition, indirectly
- asking for the facts themselves. So either I have to keep quiet or I have
- to sound incredibly pompous explaining at length to YOU the accepted norms
- of discourse. Either I don't get any answer or I sound insulting. And then
- my major occupation becomes how to politely convey the fact that I don't
- ask the naivest questions year after year. The topic at hand becomes
- secondary.
-
- This becomes wearying after a while.
-
-
- >> if you stop assuming that the world is full of freshmen then a lot
- >> of flip answers will stop too.
- >
- >Quite the contrary. I give thorough answers to freshmen because their
- >questions usually require and deserve thorough answers. And their
- >questions usually make sense.
-
- I was talking about MY flip answers, like talking about Fords or
- something instead of pursuing the topic further. When I mentioned
- "freshmen" I wasn't talking about the depth of answers they demand.
- This is just a question of assuming what the questioner intends. A
- freshman might in fact ask about first principles - naiveness and
- brightness are independent things. Now you are confusing lack of
- knowledge with lack of intelligence, so what can I do?
-
- tushar
-