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- From: haycock@marley.think.com (Anne Haycock)
- Newsgroups: bit.listserv.words-l
- Subject: Re: Deep beliefs
- Date: 23 Dec 92 08:28:05
- Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
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- In-reply-to: kieran@world.std.com's message of Wed, 23 Dec 1992 06:02:25 GMT
-
- Aaron opines:
- [editing...]
-
- Now pretend you're an "unattractive" woman (or man, it doesn't matter).
- Not only do you not get catcalls, you get totally ignored, or scorned, or
- even publicly attacked as a "beast". You won't get that promotion,yet you
- feel lucky that you ever got a job in the first place, since most
- employers want someone who's easy on the eyes more than they want
- competence. You'll never be on TV, unless you get arrested for something
- and your mug shot ends up on-screen for millions to laugh at. And you'll
- probably spend months or even YEARS without being asked out on a single
- date, and run a much higher risk of spending your entire life alone...all
- because you don't fit American society's equation of "attractiveness =
- worthiness".
-
- The moral here is: Sexual harrassment works both ways, and I'm getting a
- little tired of hearing what assholes we men are when many of us (and many
- women) are just as persecuted as the Beautiful People, only in the
- opposite direction. Life ain't fair...get used to it.
-
- Aaron,
-
- You'd make your point better if you thought a little more about what you
- were saying before you typed it in.
-
- I deleted the first two paras because they had little to do with your final
- point; nevertheless, if you really believe that "that kind of attention" is
- a boon, please think again.
-
- As I understood your final argument, you are not speaking of harassment
- based upon your gender, but rather, upon your physical attractiveness. Two
- very different things. I agree that there is certainly discrimination
- where a person's ability to do a job is connected with how well they look;
- and I do know it's true that many people get into positions they are
- otherwise not qualified for based upon "looking the part" or whatever.
- However, I would challenge that anyone can make a blanket statement
- regarding discrimination based on looks: I know women who have been passed
- over for promotion because they were "too good looking" and women who
- haven't even been given a chance because they "aren't what we're looking
- for"; I also know women in important positions who would never have made it
- on ability/brains alone (the US Govt has more than a few of these charmers)
- and women who made it to the top by blood and sweat and resent any other
- woman who tries the same.
-
- I'm certainly not qualified to speak from a man's perspective, but I
- wouldn't doubt it is somewhat similar. Although, I would have to insist
- that, in my experience, a woman's appearance is very often part and parcel
- of considering whether or not she's "capable" or "able" to do a job;
- whereas, I think for men, ability/capability is far less tied to how they
- look.
-
- //anne//
-
-