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- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 11:17:48 +0100
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- From: torkel@SICS.SE
- Subject: Re: Deep beliefs
- Comments: To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@uga.cc.uga.edu>
- In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon,
- 21 Dec 92 22:35:05 -0800. <9212220637.AA03585@sics.se>
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- >Yes. I thought I had covered that ground the first time around by
- >indicating that people do have a right to register their objections to
- >what they find wrong in others' beliefs.
-
- This certainly clarifies what you have in mind when you speak of respecting
- deep beliefs. You have no objection to people declaring other people's
- deeply held beliefs false, revolting, and beneath contempt. What you do
- object to is "mockery" of those deeply held beliefs, where mockery, I
- suppose, typically involves desecration, unseemly levity, sacrilege, parody,
- as typified perhaps by Mel Brooks's treatment of Christian and Nazi beliefs.
-
- With this point clarified, I think it's a reasonable comment that
- your terminology is more than a little misleading. Ordinarily I don't
- think we would say that we "respect" beliefs which we hold in utter
- contempt and condemn in terms appropriate to that attitude.
- (Tolerating them is a different matter.) In your terminology, we
- still "respect" those beliefs if we do not make fun of them etc. This
- is an unusual viewpoint, but perhaps you should confirm that it is in
- fact your view? I'm not sure about this in view of your defense of the
- "no mockery" principle:
-
- >On a legal level, the mockery has to be allowed. As a matter of
- >good social communication among people of many different backgrounds and
- >pursuasions who have a lot that is of value to share with each other, it
- >seems to me there can be no room for it whatsoever, if the full value of
- >what can be offered is to be available to the participants.
-
- If you invoke "good social communication" I don't see how you distinguish
- between mockery and non-mocking condemnation. Surely declaring somebody's
- deeply held beliefs to be nonsensical and beneath contempt is not conducive to
- "good social communication"?
-