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- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:35:05 -0800
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- From: Peter Montgomery <MONTGOMERY@CAMINS.CAMOSUN.BC.CA>
- Subject: Re: Deep beliefs
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- > From: torkel@SICS.SE
-
- > Understand what? I asked you earlier whether the respect which you
- > think we owe all deeply held beliefs consists in not mocking those
- > beliefs: is this in fact what you mean? And if so, what mocking are we
- > talking about here? I am not asking for any full and precise
- > definition, but only for some simple clarifications. In particular, if
- > I state, in all seriousness and without any mockery in any ordinary
- > sense, that somebody's beliefs are false and revolting and - to use a
- > somewhat familiar phrase - "beneath contempt", is this compatible with
- > my respecting those beliefs in your sense?
-
- Yes. I thought I had covered that ground the first time around by
- indicating that people do have a right to register their objections to
- what they find wrong in others' beliefs. Sorry I don't have my original
- to hand, or I would quote it directly. (No doubt somebody - Grahjam??-
- will oblige).
-
- I find the heavy criticism of the Televangelists perfectly understandable
- and in order, although it is usually their style that gets mocked -- and
- I don't have any trouble with that either.
-
- > >Funny thing about values. They aren't ideas. They're objects of the
- > >will, not the mind.
- >
- > I have no problem at all in this context with the ontological status
- > of values, but only with which among several values you are referring
- > to. For example, those values which Mill invoked in championing free
- > speech are not the same as, and not on the face of it compatible with, the
- > values invoked by those who would disallow mockery of deeply held beliefs.
-
- I see those two sets of values as being on entirely different orders or
- levels. On a legal level, the mockery has to be allowed. As a matter of
- good social communication among people of many different backgrounds and
- pursuasions who have a lot that is of value to share with each other, it
- seems to me there can be no room for it whatsoever, if the full value of
- what can be offered is to be available to the participants.
-
- What you seem to find as a lack of thinking things through, may well be
- attributable to an entirely different mode of thinking. I am reminded of
- the attempts by the United Church of Canada -- and with the very best of
- motives, believe me -- to understand the Catholic position on abortion. It
- took about five years and even then they weren't sure if they had it right.
- The whole mind set was completely (and understandably) alien to them. They
- did not, however, find a fault with logic or with lack of thinking things
- through. What seems emminently clear to some people, can be as opaque as
- lead to others.
-
- Now I think I've had may say on this one. More than once. I'd really
- rather let it alone. (Yawn.)
-