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- Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:48:43 CST
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- From: Eric Crump <C509379@MIZZOU1.BITNET>
- Subject: Re: apology for conferencing
- In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 29 Dec 1992 22:41:15 -0700 from <IACDES@ASUACAD>
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- On Tue, 29 Dec 1992 22:41:15 -0700 David E. Schwalm said:
- >Eric, what do you think about "talking about writing"?
- >
- This is a trick question, right?
-
- I'm going to answer it anyway so as to avoid cleaning my office
- further (moving and removing all this stuff makes me worry that I'm
- upsetting some fragile and irreplaceable ecology).
-
- I don't know exactly what's behind the question, David. Are you
- wondering if I'm aware of the various ironies and paradoxes embedded
- in the phrase? I'm afraid I don't know enough about them and would
- probably flunk if this was a test (this isn't a *test* is it?).
-
- What I *think* about "talking about writing" is that the phrase itself
- says something about the relationship between the speaking and
- writing: orality not only precedes chirography historically but
- actively and currently as well. Writing is no longer merely "speaking
- put on the page," as it was once portrayed, but its shape is still
- informed, to some degree, by speaking, the old "conversation of
- ¢human|kind" bit. What is common to both writing and speaking is
- their nature as methods of interacting, of conversing.
-
- I'm influenced by the fact that I have been skipping around in Richard
- Rorty's _Philosophy and the Mirror of Nature_ during break.
-
- "¢Edifying philosophers| do not think that when we say something we
- must necessarily be expressing a view about a subject. We might just
- be *saying something*--participating in a conversation rather than
- contributing to an inquiry." (371)
-
- "The point of edifying philosophy is to keep the conversation going
- rather than to find objective truth." (377)
-
- And what's good for edifying philosophers must be good for the
- rest of us, right? :-)
-
- In the writing center biz, of course, Stephen North sometimes gets
- credit for credo-izing the primacy of talk. Can't put my finger on a
- copy at the moment to get a quote, but somewhere in "The Idea of a
- Writing Center" (CE 1984) he says that, reduced to its essence, the
- business of writing centers is to talk with writers about their
- writing. That notion caught on, I guess, because it is so amenable to
- practice. It's common for student writers, facing the task of writing
- in a new and difficult grapholect, academic English, to find it much
- easier to express ideas orally than chirographically. The one-to-one
- situation usually available in writing centers helps many writers feel
- safe enough to *say* what they feel incompetent to *write.* They
- have, after all, been talking competently much longer than they've
- been writing.
-
- As all the ENFI teachers out there know, computers can help mitigate
- the perceived difference between conversing in writing and in speech.
- Like John & Karen, I'd like to see a broadly accessible online writing
- environment develop that would draw students, faculty, and staff from
- all disciplines into written electronic conversations. I have this
- dream: The orality of CMC is what finally draws writing off the
- academic margins and into the center.
-
- More on that later.
-
- --Eric Crump
-