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- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 13:13:27 EST
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- From: The Radio Gnome <V2002A@TEMPLEVM.BITNET>
- Subject: Re: PHIL COMP
- In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 21 Dec 1992 12:07:08 PST from <metlay@NETCOM.COM>
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- On Mon, 21 Dec 1992 12:07:08 PST metlay said:
- >...
- >For electronic music in which timbre is critical, written documentation is
- >grossly insufficient.
-
- Check out Klaus Schulzes liner notes in the gatefold of his release 'X'
- (his tenth release). Along with the notes below is a second 'notation' area
- filled with strange symbols and hieroglyphs that represent, in Schulzes mind,
- all the effects, noise, envelopes and timbral changes that make up such an
- essential part of his music.
-
- >It irritates me that a lot of these
- >"classical" artists insist on shackling everyone to a form of
- >documentation that's out of date, and I CAN'T use my ears to hear what
- >they're doing, but must rely on skills like sight-reading or
- >sight-singing, admittedly useful but NOT where I want to spend my time
- >practicing.
-
- Is the issue here really Emusic vs traditional notation? Or should is it
- be more like western classical vs all other music(s). For example...
-
- While the notation system used by Bach and Mozart is adequate for
- symphonies, masses, arias, or even gregorian chants, could that notation be
- used to 'put down on paper' anything that doesn't hold to western scales
- and ideas of tempo and tonality? How do you notate a ney? a didgeridoo?
- a sitar or a koto... or for that matter a chapman stick or the voice of
- David Hykes? Can you notate 'Toras Dream' by the Bulgarian Womens Choir?
- Were any of the following notated before performance/recording:
-
- Glenn Branca - Music for the first 128 intervals
- Terry Riley - Harp of the New Albion
- Lou Harrison - La Koro Sutro
-
- How useful are the written systems of Indian classical, Javanese/Balinese
- Gamelan or Tibetan throat singers to electronic musicians?
-
- >>A musician makes Music, a composer CREATES Music.
-
- And a performer interprets the composers work, the engineers ear
- determines what goes on the master tape and the stereo system must
- reproduce the performance. There are so many links in the chain. At least
- with Emusic, the composer is usually the engineer and performer as well.
- This could be a bad thing or a good thing, though. With regards to sound
- reproduction, see AUDIO-L... :-)
-
- >
- >...that real composers therefore only work with pencil and paper?
- >Man, I hope not.
-
- I would hope that every composer works with whatever makes them
- comfortable. Obviously Mike, you're uncomfortable with the tools at hand.
- Newton was uncomfortable with 'traditional' math for his laws of motion so
- he 'invented' calculus to suit himself. Get the picture? Humans are tool-
- makers. And notation is just another tool IMHO, not a dogma. Clearly its
- time we rethought the toolbox.
-
- Andy Wing
-
- "And I believe that all my imaginative work is composed during deep sleep,
- but I'm very seldom aware I'm dreaming. For me a worse ill than blindness
- or deafness would be... sleeplessness."
- - sample from Bill Nelsons 'Chamber of Dreams'
-