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- Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 00:34:22 GMT
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- Subject: re: personal effectiveness
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- [from Ray Jackson (930103.0445 MST)]
-
- Bill Powers (930103) on Dag Forssell (930103) --
- >Your long discussion of prescriptive principles has a lot of
- >interesting points in it, but it makes me feel a bit the way I
- >did in grade school when people were always giving me
- >descriptions of how I should be.
-
- Prescriptions for behavior or definitions of what one should be
- thinking cannot help but be flawed; especially as they are
- interpreted through a wide range of individual paradigms. Yet, when
- you are educating a group of individuals you must have a starting
- point of descriptions or definitions for them to see something
- tangible so they can begin to construct meaning. The degree to which
- these "starting points" are concrete and irrefutable is always
- elusive, but the instruction has to begin with something.
-
- Something I think that comes through very well in Dag's (and Ed's)
- work is the sense of educating, influencing, and helping the
- individual understand everything they need to know to make responsible
- choices about control. I remember back during the influence-
- manipulation discussions that Rick made a comment to the effect that
- the teacher is a suggestor, a person to help clarify the big picture.
- The nature of PCT is enabling someone (or yourself) to see the big
- picture.
-
- Dag Forssell (930103)
- >I am interested in any suggestion on how a teacher can draw the
- >attention of people to this (academic, irrelevant) theory by
- >indicating what may be in it for them.
-
- My wife is a fan of classic horror pictures (not the ax-in-the-head
- kind, the real suspenseful ones). The other night, we settled in to
- watch The Haunting, and I was interested in the character that "didn't
- believe" in ghosts; everything had a "reasonable" explanation --
- within his non-supernatural paradigm. The cold spot in the house had a
- draft, the loud noises at night were due to subterranean waters, etc..
- Eventually, though, watching the phenomena and the impact on others
- made him realize that he needed to stretch his inadequate mindset to
- find answers for the questions which were raised.
-
- PCT represents a new way of looking at things for most people, and I
- think Dag has done an excellent job of describing, in a
- very broad way, what PCT can offer in terms of personal and
- interpersonal effectiveness. Primarily,I feel that most people are
- going to apply these principles to others before they look at
- themselves... it's always more interesting to find out what makes
- other people tick than to look into ourselves; but, through these
- observations, students vicariously create new internal reference
- standards and the error signal helps them to understand their own
- systems. The introspection increases as they try to make further sense
- of the behavior of others.
-
- >I think your post indicates success rather than
- >failure with this approach since you ask pertinent questions.
-
- Exactly; that is all we can ask of any student, and it (the error
- signal for learning) should be what we wish to foster in them.
-
- Keep up the good work,
- Ray
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