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- Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 12:35:39 PST
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- Subject: evolution of system concepts
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- [From Rick Marken (930102.1200)]
-
- Bill Powers (930102.0930) --
-
- Your discussion of a possible scenario for the historical
- evolution of system concept beliefs -- from animism to
- anti-animism to control theory -- would be a wonderful basis
- for your next book about control theory. Evidence of
- the "over-generalization" of animism is rife in the written
- and spoken legends of all cultures. Evidence of the over-
- generalization of anti-animism is what much of our research
- in PCT has been about -- trying to show where the non-animistic
- models of science DON'T apply. The final section of the book
- could discuss our efforts to "sort things out" -- just what
- aspects of behavior are "animistic" (purposive) and which are not.
-
- One of the nice things about this way of presenting PCT is that
- is shows the enormity of the revolution that PCT represents. I
- think the scientific revolutions documented by Kuhn have all
- occurred within the "anti-animistic" framework (though there have
- been some unsatisfying attempts to bring animistic concepts back
- into the anti-animistic tradition via quantum physics). PCT is,
- indeed, an attempt to show the limits of "anti-animism" and to
- bring back animism where it is appropriate. I think this way of
- developing PCT ideas would not only be intrinsicly fascinating
- (to those of us who love both animism and anti-animism) but it also
- would make it clear why there might be considerably more resistence
- to the control revolution (given the fact that anti-animism is one of
- the pillars of ALL science) than to revolutions WITHIN science (like
- relativity, evolution or whatever). The control revolution is not
- a revolution WITHING scince; it is a revolution OF science; the last
- time a revolution of that magnitude occured was probabaly when science
- itself separated from "religion" -- and the belief in "anti-animism"
- took off.
-
- If you don't write this book, Bill, I will! (Visions of a PBS
- documentary are already starting to dance in my head). That was
- a really incredible post.
-
- Best
-
- Rick
-
- PS. Dag. I was thinking of you also when I wrote the above. I think
- the ideas in Bill's post would be a GREAT way to develop your thoughts
- about the scientific revolution represented by Demming and PCT; both
- are showing where animism was inappropriately "generalized" OUT
- OF SCIENCE. Demming could be thought of a someone who noticed that
- animism is sometimes appropriate -- in particular, when applied to
- the behavior of animals.
-