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- From: Marken@COURIER4.AERO.ORG
- Subject: Jacob and Esau
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- [From Rick Marken (921229.1030)
-
- Oded Maler (921229) --
-
- > I will have to abandon my academic habits and
- >addictions (reading e-mail, visiting libraries, day-dreaming on some
- >interesting problems, proving some theorems and writing papers from
- >time to time, etc.) and start getting paid for doing things that
- >are of interest to other but not to me.
-
- Oded -- we have the same addictions! It's really not so bad doing
- some things that are of more interest to others than to oneself;
- so that one can eat (and send the kids to college). But obviously,
- one can find time -- even while prostituting oneself -- to enjoy one's
- addictions (as I am now, during this holiday lull at work). Luckily,
- my company is a very kind master; believe it or not, they just gave
- me a promotion and a raise.
-
- >To Rick; Your atittude towards Jacob might change a bit if you notice
- >that his cheating Esau was one of the first instances of manipulating
- >perceptual variables of others (Isaac's) .
-
- As I said, there are probably many ways to appreciate the story of
- Jacob and Esau -- great art has that characteristic. I have heard at
- least two other "interpretations" of the story, both of which were
- aimed at improving my attitude toward Jacob. But what I was describing
- was my own personal experience of the story -- no matter how much it
- get's re- explained, when I hear the story my own experience is one
- of being greatly moved by Esau -- and greatly repelled by Jacob. It's
- just a visceral thing that interpretation can't seem to change. I can
- compare it to the experience I have when listening to a version of the
- Brandenberg Concertos that I have at home. I find it one of the finest,
- most moving performances I have ever heard -- beautiful coloration,
- all the right tempi, just wonderful. I can listen to it over and over. About
- a month after I got it (it was a gift) I noticed that the performance was
- conducted by van Karijan -- a charter member Nazi. I hate Nazis. But,
- damnit, even after I found out that it was van Karijan, the Brandenbergs
- still sounded great. Of course, it might have helped that van Karijan is
- dead. But, truth be told, the music sounds great (to me). The same is
- true of the Jacob and Esau story -- you can tell me all this great, deep
- interpretation that shows all these wonderful things about Jacob and
- these awful things about Esau. But, damnit, when I listen to the story,
- I feel good about Esau (like I feel good about Bach) and Jacob makes
- me feel slimy. I'm moved when Esau embraces Jacob; I cringe when
- Jacob is obsequious to Esau. I'm perfectly happen to be told that I
- shouldn't feel this way (just like I'm perfectly happy to be told by
- the local music maven on KUSC -- Jim Sveda -- that the van Karijan
- Brandenberg's are really for s**t). I'm willing to believe it;
- but what I experience when I hear the van Karijan Brandenberg's and
- when I hear the story of Jacob and Esau is what I experience.
-
- This week, I'll take the "It's all perception" choice, Dag.
-
- Regards
-
- Rick
-