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- Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:48:07 -0600
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- From: Brad Kaiser <bradk%isdgsm@RTSG.MOT.COM>
- Subject: Re: CS LEWIS - UNAUTHORDOX?
- In-Reply-To: <01GSXI1DISEQ96VNKK@asu.edu> from "Ian Williams" at Dec 31,
- 92 08:06:54 am
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- (I assume the Subject: line of this thread should read "UNORTHODOX",
- rather than "UNAUTHORDOX", though since Lewis is a writer, I guess it
- is possible for him to be "UNAUTHORDOX" ;-) ;-) ;-) )
-
- Ian quotes C.S. Lewis:
-
- > 'The union between the Father and the Son is such a live concrete thing that
- > this union itself is also a person'
- > ..
- > 'What grows out of the joint life of the Father and Son is a real Person, it
- is
- > in fact the Third of the three Persons who are God'..
- >
- > (Mere Christianity, Chapter - Good Infection)
-
- and then says:
-
- > I dont know about you, but that seems to be a pretty way off, far out and
- > just about errornous view of the Holy Spirit. He is not just some wishy washy
- > manifestation of the Love between the Father and the Son, He is GOD!
- > CO-EQUAL with the Father and the Son, a person in his own right, not the
- > result of something.
-
- Well, I haven't read M.C., so I can only go by your quotes, but I
- don't think either of you are breathtakingly heterodox (opposite of
- orthodox) on this.
-
- Here's a little background:
-
- The Council of Rome (382) in the famous "Tome of Damasus" (after the
- Pope of that name) asserted that the Holy Spirit was True God in every
- sense, and was co-equal and co-eternal with the Son and the Father.
-
- The 11th Council of Toledo (675) said that the Holy Spirit proceeds from
- both the Father and the Son (note the present tense "proceeds"); "he is
- not begotten nor created, but He proceeds from both and is the Spirit
- of both ... He is shown to have proceeded from both equally, because He
- is known as the love or the sanctity of both ... sent by the two together
- as the Son is sent by the Father, but He is not considered inferior to
- the Father and the Son in the way in which the Son, by the human nature
- He assumed, testifies that He is inferior to the Father and the Holy
- Spirit."
-
- Finally, the 2nd Council of Lyons (1274) said that "the Holy Spirit proceeds
- eternally from the Father and the Son, not as from two principles, but as
- from one, not by two spirations but by one ... we condemn ... those who
- ... deny that the Holy Spirit proceeds eternally from the Father and the
- Son ...
-
- So, it's probably wrong to think of the Holy Spirit as the "result" of
- something ("result" as in "consequence of action in time") or as
- "growing out of the joint life of the Father and Son" (if by "growing
- out" you think of something that happens in time). Nor is the Spirit
- just a consequential manifestation of the love in the Blessed Trinity.
- Instead, the Spirit *is* the eternal love of the Father for the Son
- (and vice versa), a love which is itself eternal, utterly living, and
- completely divine, consubstantial with the Father and the Son.
-
- > Any comments??
-
- Well, I think you're both right, as long as you're careful with the
- words you use. ;-)
-
- Gloria in excelsis Deo ...
-
- Brad Kaiser
- (bradk%isdgsm@rtsg.mot.com)
-
- Those who trust in Him shall understand truth,
- and the faithful shall abide with Him in love;
- Because grace and mercy are with His holy ones,
- and His care is with His elect.
- -- Wis 3:9 [NAB]
-